Is the Catholic Church as an authority a circular argument? (Edited Title)

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just out of curiosity…

your name would make me think you are Catholic… how come you aren’t and have that name? (not that it is not okay, just interested)
Heh heh heh - - - I already answered that here as well, but, no bother…

I came to this forum when I was faced with my initial doubts, stemming from a dive into reading Scripture due to my pastor’s refusal to allow me to receive communion when I was dx’d with Celiac Sprue, which was, eventually, remedied with the new, low-gluten host - but regardless, it was my reading of scripture as spiritual nourishment [aside from prayer, etc] that led me to doubt… I came to this forum by another name at that point; “On the Fence” I believe it was…

I had used the name “Joy to Be Catholic” on another forum (Catholic Message Board) and when people here accused me of never having been Catholic, I referred them there to confirm my Catholicity (I had posted there for years - NEVER as a protestant). In the midst of this doubt, I felt more convinced back toward my Catholic faith and so decided to drop On the Fence and change back to Joy. I have since retained the name so as not to seem elusive. I see it is a problem though to people who don’t know my background, so I will put it in my signature for future reference…

I was a very, very devout, traditional “orthodox” Roman Catholic. A fan of St John of the Cross, Therese of Lisieux, Assisi, Thomas Merton… (still am too:thumbsup: ) and an aspirant to the Secular, Discalced Carmelites. It truly was a joy (at one time) to be Catholic. But fear of what I see in scripture has drawn me away. I never read the Bible that way before. The errors were SO obvious to me at FIRST READING of the bible! And it hasn’t gotten any better since. I was once a pretty good Catholic apologist at one time too. I’m quite familiar with how to defend the Catholic faith.

Anyway… I’ll put a signature to clarify…
 
Again, I’ll say, I DO believe the Bible came from the church. I believe the Bible is Tradition - - - the problem is the claim that the CC is the only church that could have recognized its inspiration. Furthermore, God promised, in the OT, to preserve His Word (not meaning Jesus). Do a concordance study on the word.

And to those who insist we need an interpreter: Psalm 119:130The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple.

Perhaps we don’t need an interpreter, but rather, the proper disposition…

I do believe in the church and not just the Bible - but I have a problem believing the CC we see today is the apostolic church we see in the Bible - and the only way to determine if it is or not is not by looking at post-apostolic works (ECF writings etc.), but the Word itself which are the writings of that apostolic church.

And like a also said previously (though no one seems to read any of my posts - but that’s ok! 🤷 ) I think the reason we have so many conflicting interpretations of scripture (including the CC interpretation) is b/c we lack the proper disposition to understanding it…

**** just like those who heard Jesus’ teachings FROM HIS OWN LIPS did not understand them!****

Ok… not yelling… just making sure someone saw it this time 😉

Peace
 
In other words, it sounds like you’re just more comfortable with a source that claims to be authoritative. But the question is – what if the RCC is wrong, and it’s not authoritative? What would you do then…and more importantly, how can you even make that determination at all?
If the RCC is wrong, it would follow the reformation was wrong (in error). I am not a philosophy scholar but it would seem to me that if one began from a standpoint of falsehood, it wouldbe very difficult, at best, to dislodge object Truth from this fallible begining.

So the RCC is wrong and the protestant (many churches) are wrong. We are all wrong. Would the God of the universe reveal Himself to us in such a sloppy fashion?

If we have no place to hang our hats, not place to call home, no foundation to build upon, why do we bother try? Aren’t we without hope is all we have is nothing more then any other “religion” on this planet? I contend the answer is no, we are not any different. Therefore we are without hope. We are wondering time limited organisms awaiting our ultimate end.

LET’S LIVE IT UP BABY!!!
 
Perhaps we don’t need an interpreter, but rather, the proper disposition…
Ahhh.

Another great pearl of wisdom. Thank you.

Yes, God speaks to us in a particular “language,” but not any “language” any other men can decipher for us.

Many go there whole lives and never learn that.

Please don’t mind if I save this one.

 
But really, the fact that all other Christians accept the Bible as infallible means very little. That, in and of itself is not proof, and is more circular reasoning…
There is no solid fact in that argument that says the Bible is infallible, after all, every single Christian is fallible, so we could all be wrong.
This has more or less been your premises throughout this thread. First, I would like to adress a comment you made a few pages back. Church authority is NOT above the authority of scripture. That is typical anti-Catholic rhetoric. The Church is the servant of Sacred Scripture, and the relationship between the Church and Divine Revelation is NOT what Protestants have invented it to be. Although it makes good fodder for ex-Catholics who gobble up such lies. With that said, I will attempt to refute the circular argument that the bible proves the church because the church proves the bible. That indeed is circular reasoning.
 
Ahhh.

Another great pearl of wisdom. Thank you.

Yes, God speaks to us in a particular “language,” but not any “language” any other men can decipher for us.

Many go there whole lives and never learn that.

Please don’t mind if I save this one.

Isn’t that what Protestants have done and continue to do? Each one has the “newest” and “best” interpretation of the Bible. You don’t have to go any farther than the Yellow Pages to see the fruits of Protestantism and rebellion.

If the Church of 1 Timothy 3:15 and Matthew 16:18-20 does not exist anymore, then I suppose Jesus, being God incarnate lied to us. 🤷

Pace e Bene
Andrew
 
I hope you see that I am trying to get on the same page with you. Let’s discuss circular reasoning. The following is a historical portrait for the sake of brevity, and not intended to be a precise historical account of development:

The Bible is initially approached as any other ancient work. It is not, at first, presumed to be inspired. From textual criticism we are able to conclude that we have a text the accuracy of which is more certain than the accuracy of any other ancient work.
Next we take a look at what the Bible, considered merely as a history, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels.

We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries,

We then take that and together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that either Jesus was just what he claimed to be—God—or he was crazy.

Further, Christ said he would found a Church. Both the Bible (still taken as merely a historical book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, teaching authority, and, as a consequence of the last, infallibility.
Christ’s Church, to do what he said it would do, had to have the character of doctrinal infallibility.

We have thus taken purely historical material and concluded that a Church exists, namely, the Catholic Church, which is divinely protected against teaching doctrinal error. Now we are at the last premise of the argument.

This Catholic Church tells us the
(2)Bible is inspired, and we can take the Church’s word for it precisely because the (1)Church is infallible.

Only after having been told by a properly constituted authority—(1)that is, one established by God to assure us of the truth concerning matters of faith—(2)that the Bible is inspired can we reasonably begin to use it as an inspired book.
I took most of the information from catholic.com/library/Proving_Inspiration.asp , and reformatted for the sake of simplicity.
Dizzy? This SUMMARY of a summary should clarify:
  1. On the first level we argue to the reliability of the Bible insofar as it is history.
  2. From that we conclude that an infallible Church was founded.
  3. And then we take the word of that infallible Church that the Bible is inspired.
  4. This is not a circular argument because the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired) is not simply a restatement of its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable),
  5. and its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable) is in no way based on the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired).
What I have demonstrated is that without the existence of the Church, we could never know whether the Bible is inspired. The problem comes when some Christians deny the facts. They assume inspiration without proving it.
 
I think the reason we have so many conflicting interpretations of scripture (including the CC interpretation) is b/c we lack the proper disposition to understanding it…
That is what the Mormons say. That is what the Jehovah’s Witnesses say. Then there are those of us who are Catholic. We have been given the gift of the Holy Spirit just as you have. We do not lack a special disposition that you have. If you believe you have some special disposition that the rest of us don’t have, then please share it. If it leads you to make statements like this:
but I have a problem believing the CC we see today is the apostolic church we see in the Bible
then I say it should be rejected. And hopefully the majority of this forum will agree.
 
If the RCC is wrong, it would follow the reformation was wrong (in error). I am not a philosophy scholar but it would seem to me that if one began from a standpoint of falsehood, it wouldbe very difficult, at best, to dislodge object Truth from this fallible begining.
The whole point of the reformation was to reform, out of the Roman Catholic Church, which it was believed had fallen into error, the truths found in the first-century church. For instance, if my parents raise me in a generally good way, but teach me that speeding on the highway is okay, can I not take the good things found in what the parents taught me, and then correct the bad things? I’m sure you agree that I can, and should try to do so.

The question then, is why I can be in agreement with my parents at all. We’ve proved (through their teaching of falsehood – that it’s okay to speed on the highway) that they’re not infallible, and that they do err. And yet, objectively, one can compare other teachings and determine that they’re right (or wrong), and act accordingly.

The same is true with the RCC. That it has some (major) flaws doesn’t mean it’s completely devoid of truth. Additionally, that Protestantism in general (though not me myself) originated from within the RCC doesn’t mean that it’s tied completely to the RCC and is incapable of correcting errors from it.
Would the God of the universe reveal Himself to us in such a sloppy fashion?
That sounds like you’re simply trying to rhetorically infer your personal belief – that God would not reveal himself in such a way. I, however, would say that there are those who believe that God would not reveal himself through any system which could become divided at all, as it surely has. However, none of us really know the mind of God, do we?
I hope you see that I am trying to get on the same page with you. Let’s discuss circular reasoning. The following is a historical portrait for the sake of brevity, and not intended to be a precise historical account of development:
Noted.
The Bible is initially approached as any other ancient work. It is not, at first, presumed to be inspired. From textual criticism we are able to conclude that we have a text the accuracy of which is more certain than the accuracy of any other ancient work.
Next we take a look at what the Bible, considered merely as a history, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels.
So far, so good.
We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection. Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries,
We then take that and together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that either Jesus was just what he claimed to be—God—or he was crazy.
We agree so far.
Further, Christ said he would found a Church.
Let’s clarify – he said he would build a church (“ekklesia”), which is a gathering of “called out” followers.

Continued…
 
Both the Bible (still taken as merely a historical book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, teaching authority, and, as a consequence of the last, infallibility.
I don’t see the papacy, hierarchy, sacraments, or infallibility in the early church. I see priesthood in the sense of there being some who are gifted by God to be ministers of the word. Likewise, some are gifted to be apostles. Teaching authority is a matter of being in line with the truth, and to ensure that the truth (not a hierarchy) was maintained, persons such as Paul wrote to churches explaining things and clarifying matters that were unclear.

The papacy simply isn’t present in any early text. Sacraments as such are not (though baptism certainly is, and marriage surely is, but they’re not called sacraments or anything like that).
Christ’s Church, to do what he said it would do, had to have the character of doctrinal infallibility.
Not necessarily. Could you please provide an example for your case, to which I can relate an explanation? I want to see where you’re going with it before I respond, as to avoid confusion.

Overall, the argument becomes circular again, because you’re going to disagree with my rejection of your interpretation of scripture. The problem is, your validation for your interpretation will, at some point, come back to “the RCC says so”.
What I have demonstrated is that without the existence of the Church, we could never know whether the Bible is inspired. The problem comes when some Christians deny the facts. They assume inspiration without proving it.
For the RCC’s word to be worth anything though, you have to prove your interpretation of scripture, which you can’t do without the aid of the RCC. Without the RCC’s word, you have no way to say that you know scripture is inspired, and thus you’re assuming too.

In the end, we each have faith that our particular interpretation of scripture is right on these things, and these interpretations are at odds with one another.
 
Isn’t that what Protestants have done and continue to do? Each one has the “newest” and “best” interpretation of the Bible. You don’t have to go any farther than the Yellow Pages to see the fruits of Protestantism and rebellion.

If the Church of 1 Timothy 3:15 and Matthew 16:18-20 does not exist anymore, then I suppose Jesus, being God incarnate lied to us. 🤷

Pace e Bene
Andrew
The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Produces Bad Fruit, Namely, Division and Disunity.

.Heresiarchs and heretical movements based their doctrines on Scripture interpreted apart from Tradition and the Magisterium

and lets not forget:
Did Not Exist Prior to the 14th Century.The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura

and lastly:
The Doctrine of Sola Scriptura Had its Source in Luther’s Own Emotional Problems.

Thank you Joel Peters!
author of Twenty One Reasons to Reject Sola Scriptura
 
Not necessarily. Could you please provide an example for your case, to which I can relate an explanation? I want to see where you’re going with it before I respond, as to avoid confusion.
Open your eyes!Matthew 16:18
Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven

The Church was promised to be infallible; it is the “pillar and foundation of truth” [1 Tim 3:15].

Christ, the Good Shepherd told the first Pope, Peter, to “…feed my sheep” (Jn 21:17) and we know Peter will SUCCESSFULLY feed HIS Sheep since Christ prayed for Peter and Christ’s prayer is HEARD! Do you really think anyone could successfully “feed” ALL His sheep without the gift of infallibility [recall the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven]? 👍

Whoever listens to you listens to me. Whoever rejects you rejects me. And whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me. - Luke 10:16’
What more do you want Jesus to say?

Jesus promised the bishops of the early Church that the Holy Spirit will teach them all things - Jn 14:26. This is all the proof for the faithful, yes, you need faith to believe this, that the Holy Spirit *CONTINUALLY guides the Church even until today. *This context of this verse is not to the world, or even Jesus’ followers, its to the Apostles, the Bishops. Trust your leaders, that is what Christ is telling you. That being said, there is nothing wrong with interpreting Scripture as long as you don’t believe anything contrary to what the Church believes.
For more on this try, here, here and here. Enjoy. If the Church ever taught error, that would make Christ’s prayer to Peter a failure, and that would mean the gates of Hell would prevail.
 
Isn’t that what Protestants have done and continue to do? Each one has the “newest” and “best” interpretation of the Bible. You don’t have to go any farther than the Yellow Pages to see the fruits of Protestantism and rebellion.
And Catholicism in action (the lives and actual, personal beliefs of its members - who are, the actual church) are just as rebellious and unfruitful… There is just as much division w/in the CC also and the only difference between the division in Catholicism and those in Protestantism is that Catholics are bound to stay w/in what they disagree with due to threats of mortal sin b/c they somehow believe in its authority despite thier disobedience to it. The Yellow Pages also proves my point, b/c I can go to several different Catholic parishes in my city and find priests teaching very conflicting things and finding people believing and practicing many different things. My point stands. Righteousness requires the proper disposition. And no one has addressed the glaring reality I have tried several times now to bring to light: the fact that there was no interpreter to Jesus’ words when He was walking the earth. What of all those people who rejected Him then? Were they eternally damned for rejecting him b/c they didn’t have an interpreter???
Matthew 16:18
Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven
The Church was promised to be infallible; it is the “pillar and foundation of truth” [1 Tim 3:15].
No, the apostles were given that promise. If we want the church to continue in that truth and in those things that were authoritatively loosed and bound we need to look to the apostles/the Bible.
 
Further, Christ said he would found a Church. Both the Bible (still taken as merely a historical book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, teaching authority, and, as a consequence of the last, infallibility.
Christ’s Church, to do what he said it would do, had to have the character of doctrinal infallibility.
Well, that is where we will disagree in our reasoning. Yes, we can affirm that Jesus established a church, but where do you arrive with that church have the rudiments of what we see in the CC (papacy, etc.)? You had to use your fallible judgement about the Bible and those other ancient works to arrive at that - and how do you know you are right? You chose to put your faith in the CC using a fallible thinking-process and I have chosen to put my faith in the Bible using my fallible thinking-process. I guess the problem really is that we are all fallible, no? There is no guarantee any of us have it right b/c we cannot infallibly discern what is true. Faith is a gift but it is also a choice.

Furthermore, the problem is, when you say you look at both the Bible and other ancient works, what are those other ancient works? Did you already have a bias toward Catholicism and Catholic works were what you looked at? Did small, humble, unlearned faithful groups (which I believe existed outside of the early CC) have the power or resources to record their beliefs like the ECFs did? Now, if, when looking at those other ancient works - whatever they were - you saw inconsistencies between what was contained in them and what was contained in the Bible, wouldn’t you be suspicious and need to know which works to eliminate as authentic? I have, and I have chosen to eliminate as authoritative those things that contradict the Bible. And are the ECF writings w/out error? Even Catholics agree that they are not w/out error, and I don’t see much proof in them as the rudiments of Catholicism as we have it today, and what little I do see as possible seeds of Catholicism isn’t proof to me that they were correct, for the ECFs writings/thoughts/practices are not w/out error. Nothing post-apostolic can have that claim or we have nothing to measure anything by. The only way to know if the ECF remained faithful (and the Catholic church as it evolved over the years) is to compare it to The Most Ancient Work; The Bible.

Again, you have chosen to put your faith in the ECFs and whatever other ancient works. I have chosen to stop at the Bible, firstly b/c it is The most original work, also, b/c I see the hand of God in it based on fulfilled prophesy and accuracy on many levels (historical, geological, etc), and lastly, all of Christendom agrees on its inspiration and if I’m looking for Christ’s church, I will look, primarily, at what they all at least agree on and what came first:

Christ church (as you will agree) and,
Its Traditions (as you will also agree) - which are most original and error-free in the Scriptures which it wrote.
Christ’s Church, to do what he said it would do, had to have the character of doctrinal infallibility.
Yes, the apostles had that character, but for the post-apostolic Church to do what He said it would do, would need to be obedient to the original teachings (which are found in the Bible).
Originally Posted by PC Master
I don’t see the papacy, hierarchy, sacraments, or infallibility in the early church.

Originally Posted by Hail Mary
I do, and so do about 1.6 billion other Christians!
And me, and others (not going to attempt a #)do not see it. Does the fact that you and 1.6 billion others see it mean it is true? So now we base truth on popularity again? What if 1.6 billion others are wrong? What if Jesus was telling the truth when He said His flock will be little and few will enter the straight gate and follow the narrow way? What of those 1.6 billion now? Are you ready to base your eternal security on popularity? That is very dangerous.

The converted don’t need a government to keep them in line. God has given us our guide already and few will obey it. No, I’m not claiming to have the perfect disposition to understanding it, but I pray every day that I do. And I see how many in Jesus’ time did not have a proper understanding or willingness to understand His teachings even as He Himself taught them. That tells me I don’t need an interpreter - I need the right kind of heart.

Peace
 
Ok. So I see the likelihood that there needs to be an earthly authority. Question is: How does one determine who has that authority?
Try this:

The Bible is initially approached as any other ancient work. It is not, at first, presumed to be inspired. From textual criticism we are able to conclude that we have a text the accuracy of which is more certain than the accuracy of any other ancient work.

An Accurate Text

Sir Frederic Kenyon, in The Story of the Bible, notes that “For all the works of classical antiquity we have to depend on manuscripts written long after their original composition. The author who is the best case in this respect is Virgil, yet the earliest manuscript of Virgil that we now possess was written some 350 years after his death. For all other classical writers, the interval between the date of the author and the earliest extant manuscript of his works is much greater. For Livy it is about 500 years, for Horace 900, for most of Plato 1,300, for Euripides 1,600.” Yet no one seriously disputes that we have accurate copies of the works of these writers. However, in the case of the New Testament we have parts of manuscripts dating from the first and early second centuries, only a few decades after the works were penned.

Not only are the biblical manuscripts that we have older than those for classical authors, we have in sheer numbers far more manuscripts from which to work. Some are whole books of the Bible, others fragments of just a few words, but there are literally thousands of manuscripts in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Coptic, Syriac, and other languages. This means that we can be sure we have an authentic text, and we can work from it with confidence.

The Bible as Historical Truth

Next we take a look at what the Bible, considered merely as a history, tells us, focusing particularly on the New Testament, and more specifically the Gospels. We examine the account contained therein of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection.

Using what is in the Gospels themselves and what we find in extra-biblical writings from the early centuries, together with what we know of human nature (and what we can otherwise, from natural reason alone, know of divine nature), we conclude that either Jesus was just what he claimed to be—God—or he was crazy. (The one thing we know he could not have been was merely a good man who was not God, since no merely good man would make the claims he made.)

We are able to eliminate the possibility of his being a madman not just from what he said but from what his followers did after his death. Many critics of the Gospel accounts of the resurrection claim that Christ did not truly rise, that his followers took his body from the tomb and then proclaimed him risen from the dead. According to these critics, the resurrection was nothing more than a hoax. Devising a hoax to glorify a friend and mentor is one thing, but you do not find people dying for a hoax, at least not one from which they derive no benefit. Certainly if Christ had not risen his disciples would not have died horrible deaths affirming the reality and truth of the resurrection. The result of this line of reasoning is that we must conclude that Jesus indeed rose from the dead. Consequently, his claims concerning himself—including his claim to be God—have credibility. He meant what he said and did what he said he would do.

Further, Christ said he would found a Church. Both the Bible (still taken as *merely a historical *book, not yet as an inspired one) and other ancient works attest to the fact that Christ established a Church with the rudiments of what we see in the Catholic Church today—papacy, hierarchy, priesthood, sacraments, and teaching authority.

We have thus taken the material and purely historically concluded that Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Because of his Resurrection we have reason to take seriously his claims concerning the Church, including its authority to teach in his name.

This Catholic Church tells us the Bible is inspired, and we can take the Church’s word for it precisely because the Church is infallible. Only after having been told by a properly constituted authority—that is, one established by God to assure us of the truth concerning matters of faith—that the Bible is inspired can we reasonably begin to use it as an inspired book.

(cont.)
 
A Spiral Argument

Note that this is not a circular argument. We are not basing the inspiration of the Bible on the Church’s infallibility and the Church’s infallibility on the word of an inspired Bible. That indeed would be a circular argument! What we have is really a spiral argument. On the first level we argue to the reliability of the Bible insofar as it is history. From that we conclude that an infallible Church was founded. And then we take the word of that infallible Church that the Bible is inspired. This is not a circular argument because the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired) is not simply a restatement of its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable), and its initial finding (the Bible is historically reliable) is in no way based on the final conclusion (the Bible is inspired). What we have demonstrated is that without the existence of the Church, we could never know whether the Bible is inspired.

catholic.com/library/Proving_Inspiration.asp
 
Again, I’ll say, I DO believe the Bible came from the church. I believe the Bible is Tradition - - - the problem is the claim that the CC is the only church that could have recognized its inspiration.

Which other Churches claim authority as establishing the canon?
The Churches in the East (EO’s) don’t have a closed canon. Protestantism didn’t start until 1517 at the earliest.🤷
And do you accept non-Christian history as being true?
I’m sure you, do then why don’t you accept Christian history?
If you accept Christian history, then how can you deny the Catholic Church as being THE only early Church?
Even secular sources affirm Catholicism as being THE early Church. The Apostles creed says “…one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.”
Is there another “Catholic” Church that claims authority over all Christiandom?
Furthermore, God promised, in the OT, to preserve His Word (not meaning Jesus). Do a concordance study on the word.
 
And me, and others (not going to attempt a #)do not see it. Does the fact that you and 1.6 billion others see it mean it is true? So now we base truth on popularity again? What if 1.6 billion others are wrong? What if Jesus was telling the truth when He said His flock will be little and few will enter the straight gate and follow the narrow way? What of those 1.6 billion now? Are you ready to base your eternal security on popularity? That is very dangerous.
I agree arithmetic should not define what is true or not, just simply stating that when I read the bible, and when most Christians read the bible, we arrive at a radically different conclusion then what modern day protestants suggest is true Christian living.

But what is even more dangerous is basing my theology on late 19th century interpretations of the bible. I cannot reconcile protestant theology with the bible and with history or tradition. If I were a protestant, and an honest one, I would be terrified that my religion has a very big void in history.
I am convinced that the Catholic Church conforms much more closely to all of the biblical data, offers the only coherent view of the history of Christianity (i.e., Christian, apostolic Tradition), and possesses the most profound and sublime Christian morality, spirituality, social ethic, and philosophy.

I am a Catholic because I sincerely believe, by virtue of much cumulative evidence, that Catholicism is true, and that the Catholic Church is the visible Church divinely-established by our Lord Jesus, against which the gates of hell cannot and will not prevail (Mt 16:18), thereby possessing an authority to which I feel bound in Christian duty to submit.
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