Is the Catholic monarch prophesy true?

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I agree that at the moment a republic is better than a confederation. To be honest, I’m fine with whatever government a nation wants as long as folks can enter into it or leave it freely. So if a nation wants to be Communist, go for it. But don’t force folks to join or stay. Practical? Probably not. But hey, you got to have principles.

That’s why I support the Southern States during the Civil War (putting aside Slavery for a moment). If Catalonia wants to secede from Spain, go for it. Scotland? Be my guest. California? Actually, do that California.
 
Entwhistler said:
That’s why I support the Southern States during the Civil War (putting aside Slavery for a moment). If Catalonia wants to secede from Spain, go for it. Scotland? Be my guest. California? Actually, do that California.
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Even “setting aside slavery,” no, a state ought not be able to leave the union without the consent of a constitutional quorum of the other states. You make a commitment, you stick with it. You don’t turn on those you have agreed can count on you as you have counted on them. Are we going to move all our California military bases off of the coast and into Arizona and Nevada? “I don’t think so, Tim.”

It is a “for better or worse” kind of thing. The other states have made plenty of investments in California, the federal government won, has defended and still owns a good deal of it, and California gets to stay. Those who don’t want to be Californians under those terms are free to go, though.
 
It’s similar because both propose the triumph of Christ in the world for a time.
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Our Lady during the La Salette apparitions speaks of a period of peace lasting about 25 years after a Chastisement.
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That was said to happen before the year 2000 in one secret and before 1951 in the other…
 
Ah, I forgot to mention that. If a country says they are going to stick together forever, then they should. But the states of America never said that. I believe Virginia has it in their constitution that they can secede even.

But the thing is, I don’t think Catalonia ever said they would stay with Spain forever. Maybe they did, I don’t know.

But even if that is the case, what about when a new generation comes along? They never signed up with a country. I suppose I would make the argument of a home-owners organization. You enter freely and you agree to pay the bills together. If you say you are staying in that home-owners organization until you die and you sign a contract you have to stay in that organization. But if you didn’t? You should be able to leave.
 
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Ah, I forgot to mention that. If a country says they are going to stick together forever, then they should. But the states of America never said that. I believe Virginia has it in their constitution that they can secede even.
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There is nothing in the Constitution that allows anyone to secede and no indication that consent was provisional, regardless of what kinds of mental notes Virginia made to itself.

Catalonia may well belong to Spain out of conquest, rather than by agreement made without duress. That is a different matter. It would also be a differnt matter if a state left out of a legitimate grievance and then won its independence in some way.
Entwhistler said:
But even if that is the case, what about when a new generation comes along? They never signed up with a country. I suppose I would make the argument of a home-owners organization. You enter freely and you agree to pay the bills together. If you say you are staying in that home-owners organization until you die and you sign a contract you have to stay in that organization. But if you didn’t? You should be able to leave.
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You know you’re in a homeowners association when you buy your house. Either the association votes to disband itself or let you out, or you are on the hook. Those were the terms in place when you got there.

If the next generation doesn’t like this country, they can either vote to change things or they can leave. If the voters wanted to put in a Constitutional amendment allowing a state to leave on the individual state’s own authority, they can do that.
 
I’m pretty sure the two time periods referenced are not from the condemned later versions (I have read the later versions as well which contain stuff about Rome losing the faith, evil spirits transporting people, etc.)
 
Interesting. Do you know of any good sources I can find of the early approved versions?
 
Entwhistler said:
If Catalonia wants to secede from Spain, go for it. Scotland? Be my guest. California? Actually, do that California
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And that’s why not everything should be handled democratically. Things need set in stone otherwise changing attitudes will lead to instability and chaos.
Entwhistler said:
But even if that is the case, what about when a new generation comes along? They never signed up with a country. I suppose I would make the argument of a home-owners organization.
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There’s way more at stake than one house or family. Secession will effect the entire country economically and endanger its national security. No Fault Secession is very dangerous.
Entwhistler said:
You should be able to leave.
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Absolutely! People dissatisfied with their respective countries can choose to leave. However, I don’t believe it’s prudent for Catalonia, California, or Scotland to leave their respective countries.
 
The first one I have done some research on and the text says,
“Tout ce que je vous dis là arrivera dans l’autre siècle, [au] plus tard aux deux millle ans.”
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The French word arrivera has a more loose meaning. It would have been different if instead of arrive, occur would have been used. That means the prophecies would begin to unfold in the year 2000, by Our Lady’s wording.

The second one is a bit more confusing. Twice 50 years will not go by. Before that Our Lady speaks of the Antichrist.
Lastly, hell will reign on earth. It will be then that the Antichrist will be born of a Sister, but woe to her! Many will believe in him, because he will claim to have come from heaven, woe to those who will believe in him!
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Our Lady seems to be talking about the birth of the Antichrist, that in less than 100 years the earth will be in disarray, loss of faith, etc. Then within that time span the Antichrist will be born.

Of course I can be wrong in all of this, in that case please correct me!
 
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Well, the Constitution does not saying anything about leaving or staying. Since that is the case, one would assume that states could leave since they since no contract that meant they were to stay forever. Also, the Virginia ratification council of the U.S. Constitution said in tandem with accepting said Constitution

“The People of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will.” (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/ratva.asp) [I hate it when folks quote things willy nilly without sources]

So at least Virginia can leave. In theory…Stupid Lincoln.

But anyway, even Massachusetts threatened to secede during the War of 1812.

But I actually like that suggestion of yours for a state constitutional amendment for secession. Even though I believe we don’t need it. I think we already have that right.
 
Cruciferi said:
No Fault Secession is very dangerous.
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That’s why the founding period of a country is so important.
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However, I don’t believe it’s prudent for Catalonia, California, or Scotland to leave their respective countries.
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Debatable. Off the top of my head I don’t know if California would survive. Socialist ideas and all. Catalonia might since they are richest province in Spain. I have no idea about Scotland.
 
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I think we already have that right.
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I think the first state that tries it will have to show the United States Defense Department that they have that right. If California does not negotiate its way into leaving with the consent of the rest of the nation, she’ll find herself in a war with the rest of the nation. She would make a good-sized nation on her own, but she’d still lose.
 
Right. And that’s where the rubber meets the road. All of this theorizing is fine on paper. But how would it play out in real-life? I kind of want California to try it though just to see how it goes. It would be hard for the Feds to claim the moral high ground of democracy when the citizens of California vote themselves out but are forced to stay in at gunpoint.
 
Cruciferi said:
I’ll need three terms. No need for a Viceroy. Although, I would like to increase cooperation between us and Australia :australia:
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I think you have a few Roos loose in your top paddock mate!
 
Entwhistler said:
Debatable. Off the top of my head I don’t know if California would survive. Socialist ideas and all. Catalonia might since they are richest province in Spain. I have no idea about Scotland.
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California would survive if it could get water. If Southern California were denied access to water from the Colorado, though, California and her economy would suffer a major blow.

To be blunt, she’d also have an internal civil war on her hands if she tried to secede from the United States. It would be very ugly.
 
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Nope. I had them stuffed.
 
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In China no doubt, on the eve of the trade war.
 
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Genesis315 said:
That was said to happen before the year 2000 in one secret and before 1951 in the other…
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I find the idea of “secrets” VERY problematic.

It seems to me almost like a form of gnosticism, either that or something children made up to get attention…
 
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