Is the Catholiuc Church Splintering?

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Catholic churches closely related to, but not accepting the primacy of the Roman Pontiff
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* American Catholic Church in the United States
* Ancient Apostolic Communion
* Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
* Catholic Apostolic National Church
* Catholic Apostolic Church
* Catholic Apostolic Church in North America (CACINA)
* Catholic Life Church
* Celtic Catholic Church
* Charismatic Episcopal Church
* Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
* Christ Catholic Church
* Free Catholic Church
* Liberal Catholic Church
* Mariavite Church
* North American Old Catholic Church
* Old Catholic Church
* Palmarian Catholic Church
* Philippine Independent Church
* Polish National Catholic Church
* Sedevacantism
* true Catholic Church
 
Actually, the Church isn’t splintering. You have officially proved nothing to that regard. All you have demonstrated with any degree of success is that there are disobedient groups who are not loyal to the Pope. If you’re not in communion with Rome, you’re not Catholic. Plain and simple.

-ACEGC
 
I would actually just like to add that the Charismatic Episcopalian Church is NOT Catholic. They are Episcopalian, or commonly known as Anglican. Yes, that religion in general is “close” to Catholic, and we share many beliefs, and they also have the sacraments, but they are not now, nor have they ever been Catholic.

I am not familiar with most of the others. Some are actually outright schismatic. This does not prove that the Catholic Church is splintering…rather, it is just another form of rebellion. In other words…they are Protestant, not Catholic.
 
IN this human world, so many people want to create new versions of every church I can think of, even mormonism has been splintered into several groups by this method, but I don’t know of any splinter groups based on Jehovahs Witnesses? or is there??

There are no strict controls on religion, because people are free to worship in any church in many areas on this Earth.

I’ve even found Buddhists sites on the internet trying to say which ones are the most correct ones like this link below

google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLB,GGLB:1969-53,GGLB:en&q=NSA+versus+SGI+Buddhism

These debates seem like they will continue to the end of time.
 
Doesn’t the word Catholic mean universal? A church can have no connection to the Roman Catholic church and still call itself Catholic. I could start a religious belief tommorrow that involves worship of a plump, short, myopic woman and call my religion the Catholic Church of Debbie and it would have no connection to the Roman Catholic Church.

There is only one Roman Catholic Church, by the way.🙂

By the way if I started my own religion it would involve giving me chocolate truffles on all the major holidays.🙂
 
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By the way if I started my own religion it would involve giving me chocolate truffles on all the major holidays.🙂
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Hmmm… this sounds interesting. When can I join this church? Holy Truffles…

Seriously, though folks, a lot of these catholic churches were started by people who were disgruntled with something that the Church was teaching or requiring, so they went and splintered off from the Church. Some of these faiths do indeed have valid orders and apostolic succession, and some don’t. Lots of these faiths splintered because their clergy were tired of feeling like God was calling them to both the Holy Order of the Priesthood and the vocation of Marriage and raising a family. Whether or not God actually was is between them and God, but the bottom line is that a lot of this splintering happened over celibacy. I myself am struggling with these same feelings.

We don’t own the word, and it was probably slapped on the Western Church by the Eastern Church as a perjoritive after the Great Schism.
 
I am not sure if this helps
Michael Casey writes this in Fully Human Full Divine
In a choir of thousands, who notices if I sing a wrong note?
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With that in mind who can notice these splinters? The Catholic Church will always remain a 1,000 person choir despite splinters.
 
These Churches are so small as to be insignificant for the most part.
 
We don’t own the word, and it was probably slapped on the Western Church by the Eastern Church as a perjoritive after the Great Schism.
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Actually, it was first used by Ignatius of Antioch, in the 100s.
It is in his letter to the church of Smyrna that for the first time in Christian literature “the Catholic Church”[6] is spoken of. “Wheresoever,” he writes, "the bishop appears, there let the people be, even as wheresoever Christ is, there is the *Catholic Church.*"
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ewtn.com/library/MARY/IGNATIUS.htm

-ACEGC
 
Continued splitting?

msnbc.msn.com/id/10576125/from/RSS/

The news mentioned that if anyone attended “Mass” by this priest, it would be a “mortal sin”. As does the following news article.

ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=140532

And the headline:

Church packed for Mass at schismatic parish

At the following Catholic website:

catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=18069

Looks like the struggle is over 9.5 million dollars in assets.

“The penalty was the latest wrinkle in a long dispute over control of the parish’s $9.5 million in assets.”
 
And your point? It was once said (and I don’t remember who said this) that if there were only 100 Catholics left in the world, they would still be the Church. And that’s true. Vatican II stated that Christ subsists through his Church. If his Church has 11 people or 1.1 Billion people, he’s still there. As I quoted Ignatius in a previous post,
It is in his letter to the church of Smyrna that for the first time in Christian literature “the Catholic Church”[6] is spoken of. “Wheresoever,” he writes, "the bishop appears, there let the people be, even as wheresoever Christ is, there is the *Catholic Church.*"
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If the bishop is a real bishop with real Apostolic Succession and real unbroken Episcopal lineage, then when the bishop appears, the people should be there–because even as wheresoever Christ is, there is The Catholic Church. If the words from someone who learned from either the Apostles themselves or their immediate successors aren’t good enough for you, I don’t know what is. Besides–“the gates of hell will not prevail against (the Church)” Matthew 16:18

-ACEGC
 
Yes the Catholic Church has been splintering for a long time. We call it being Protestant. Think of all the splits. It will never stop happening as long as people are willful.
 
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Yes the Catholic Church has been splintering for a long time. We call it being Protestant. Think of all the splits. It will never stop happening as long as people are willful.
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Couldn’t have said that any better myself! Thanks Fitz! 👍

Peace,

George
 
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YahShuaMessiah:
Catholic churches closely related to, but not accepting the primacy of the Roman Pontiff
Code: 
* American Catholic Church in the United States
* Ancient Apostolic Communion
* Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church
* Catholic Apostolic National Church
* Catholic Apostolic Church
* Catholic Apostolic Church in North America (CACINA)
* Catholic Life Church
* Celtic Catholic Church
* Charismatic Episcopal Church
* Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association
* Christ Catholic Church
* Free Catholic Church
* Liberal Catholic Church
* Mariavite Church
* North American Old Catholic Church
* Old Catholic Church
* Palmarian Catholic Church
* Philippine Independent Church
* Polish National Catholic Church
* Sedevacantism
* true Catholic Church
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This really should not surprise us in the least bit that God’s People will splinter. If we read the Old Testament, it is full of examples of how God’s people refused to follow His way and wanted to do it their own.

It started with Adam and Eve and continued through their descendants and has been chronicled through out all of Scripture (see the story of Korah in Numbers 16.)

Perhaps the clearest parallel to this can be found though the books of First and Second Kings (repeated in First and Second Chronicles) when the People of God (the People of the Old Covenant) splintered because one group protested the Leadership and Authority of God’s Chosen lineage, the line of David and Solomon as the result of pride, confusion, ignorance, and arrogance.

But God remained faithful to all His Chosen even when they went whoring after strange gods (see Hosea’s words to Israel.) Eventually He called all His People back to Himself.

Today we have a People of the New Covenant. This People was to also be a unified people under Jesus’ Chosen Line, the Spiritual descendants of the Line of Peter. But again we have some who protest the Leadership and Authority of THIS line as the result of pride, confusion, ignorance, and arrogance.

The biggest difference that we have between the New and Old Covenant People is the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Unlike the Old Covenant People who did not have the Holy Spirit to guide them, the same Holy Spirit that has kept the Catholic Church Faithful to the Fullness of Truth, has kept most that have splintered (the Protestants) from venturing too far from that Truth.

We must keep as our earnest prayer, as did the people of Judah, that God’s Chosen People will again unite in the Fullness of Truth and again share the Unity that God expects and demands. God will remain faithful to all His Chosen and will again call His People back to Himself. We are separated brothers, not separate families (Unitatis Redintegratio) and have the same Father in Heaven. Jesus has but one spouse and One Body.

I wait in eager hope for that day when we are one again in Him. We are one Body in Christ Our Lord and Savior!
 
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These Churches are so small as to be insignificant for the most part.
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This is the best answer to this question. The church has had significant breakaways during the Protestant reformation, but the groups listed here are so small as to be nothing but an anomoly.

If a giant pecan tree drops a few pecans it is hardly “splintering”. The Catholic Church likewise is not splintered by shedding a few nuts.
 
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