Is The Chapel Veil Coming Back?

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I live in an extremely liberal diocese. I had never seen a mantilla in worn in or anywhere near my diocese. THis past labor day…I saw younger women (30s and 40s) at a nearby parish wearing them when I was visiting city. Interestingly the city is a liberal university town.

I am sure the handful of feminists that run our chancery are scratching their heads on the re-introductin of mantillas.

Based on the nature of My diocese I think it is a safe bet to say if it is happening here then its going to happen anywhere. It is likely a growing trend…it will take a long time…but I was (happily) astounded to see the practice happening here.
 
THurifer2 said:
I live in an extremely liberal diocese. I had never seen a mantilla in worn in or anywhere near my diocese. THis past labor day…I saw younger women (30s and 40s) at a nearby parish wearing them when I was visiting city. Interestingly the city is a liberal university town.

I am sure the handful of feminists that run our chancery are scratching their heads on the re-introductin of mantillas.

Based on the nature of My diocese I think it is a safe bet to say if it is happening here then its going to happen anywhere. It is likely a growing trend…it will take a long time…but I was (happily) astounded to see the practice happening here.
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Speaking of feminists, I found this poem addressing veils and feminists:

Oh lowly, little, chapel veil,
You are my dearest friend.
For when my hair’s all mops and brooms,
You cover, end to end.

And when my hair’s not curling right
Or when it sticks out straight,
You gently hold it all in place
And make it look first rate!

But feminists, they hate you so,
You lowly, simple thing.
To them you are so vile, not veil,
To praise Our Lord and King.

And passing by the Church of Seven,
“Autonomy’s”, their phrase.
They never know the joys of Heaven,
Such as, no bad-hair-days!

For lowly, lacey, chapel veil,
You tame my hair, so wild!
But truth-be-told, though I look nice,
It’s really for The Child.

(Hilary Mary Bernadette Flanery)
 
Cathryn said:
Speaking of feminists, I found this poem addressing veils and feminists:

Oh lowly, little, chapel veil,
You are my dearest friend.
For when my hair’s all mops and brooms,
You cover, end to end.

And when my hair’s not curling right
Or when it sticks out straight,
You gently hold it all in place
And make it look first rate!

But feminists, they hate you so,
You lowly, simple thing.
To them you are so vile, not veil,
To praise Our Lord and King.

And passing by the Church of Seven,
“Autonomy’s”, their phrase.
They never know the joys of Heaven,
Such as, no bad-hair-days!

For lowly, lacey, chapel veil,
You tame my hair, so wild!
But truth-be-told, though I look nice,
It’s really for The Child.

(Hilary Mary Bernadette Flanery)
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Hehe- I always loves that one!
 
Cathryn said:
This is Cardinal Mahoney’s depiction of The Blessed Mother without a veil at his Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles. When I saw this in person I wasn’t offended because I thought the statue was a male looking angel guarding the front door. It never occured to me that this was supposed to be the Blessed Mother herself, with the moon under her feet. I guess he thinks that this can be a model for those who want to imitate Mary. :eek: I think the chapel veil will come back.
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Completely ambiguous and lacking any semblance to the Immaculate, Perpetual Virgin, Mother of God.

Notice that the feet aren’t even on the crescent moon, they are on a platform that is on the “crescent moon”.
The wide open sleeves, lack of veil, choice of texture - all points to ambiguity and androgeny. There isn’t even an implied length of hair associated with the Theotokos - not a crown (12 stars), nothing. This might as well be Ziggy Stardust , Marilyn Manson or some other gender bending representation.

Bad, bad decision Cardinal Mahoney!!

The artist has remained faithful to his “revealing and graphic” style
which has nothing to do with reverence for the Theotokos.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
A woman who does not - will not - wear a veil is not always one who supports ordination of women.
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Wow I though this response was going to be Dr. Suess.

A woman who does not-will not - wear a veil-
Could she- would she- have a tail.

I will not- won’t not- she did said
put the veil upon my head.

Cannot -will not -get my gist?
For a veil isn’t for a feminist.
 
I am shocked we have gotten this many replies on this thread. Normally they get shut down pretty fast. Maybe we have all learned to play nicely in the sandbox?

I do find it odd that so many people are so against Headcoverings. It’s not like us women are forcing it on you. We don’t stand in the back of chruch passing out and demanding that you wear a covering. We also don’t think of ourselves as more holy or better than any other person simply because we cover. We are sinners who are trying are hardest to simple recognize our position as women in the church and trying are hardest to submit to God’s will. Why are you trying so hard to push us down? Why do you have to demean us and call us selfish or attention grabbers? Why can’t you support us?

Headcoverings are making a comeback. I live in Houston and i can name tons of women who wear them at NO masses and right now i am involved in a discussion with about 10 or 15 women in the 20’s who are thinking about wearing them. They feel the calling to wear a headcovering in Jesus’s presence but they are all being held back by one thing. They feel that they would draw too much attention to themselves in church if they were the only one’s covering their heads.

It’s hard to describe how it feels to wear a covering and how it really does help during mass. I stay so much more focused. I am constantly reminded of submitting to God and by it’s very nature it takes away distraction. I don’t think it’s as distracting or as an attention grabber as people think. Take Christmas day mass. I was the only one in the church wear a veil. When i turned behind me for the Sign of Peace i recognized a friend that was sitting behind me. He didn’t even know it was me. The veil helped make me invisible in a sense to others. I bet there are lots of women that if they saw more women wearing a headcovering would do it themselves. Maybe that why God has chosen some of us to be the first wave of head covers.

Why veils? For me it’s a preference. Do you know how hard it is to find a hat? Plus my generation didn’t grow up wearing them. I have no idea how to wear them correctly. Do you wear them to the side or straight forward? Do they tend to move a lot? Do they fall off easily? A veil is just very easy to carry. You can keep it in your purse or car so when you pop into daily mass or go to adoration that you have it with you.

To wear a covering was not a decision anyone women comes to easily. For me it was something that was in my heart for awhile and after about a year I asked a friend who went to a TLM mass if she knew were I could buy one. She opened her trunk and gave me a black veil. I kept it for a few weeks without wearing it but it kept looking at me. I finally wore to a daily mass. I was so nervous but I had a good friend who wore one that went with me. That following Sunday I didn’t wear it and I can’t tell you how I felt. I felt naked in front of the Lord. I felt like I was being a disobedient child. He had put something in my heart and I was disobey his calling. I’ve worn it ever since.
 
I would put more stock in the ‘veil issue’ if there was mention in the GOSPELS about it.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
I would put more stock in the ‘veil issue’ if there was mention in the GOSPELS about it.
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Well you see - we Catholic types aren’t living our Faith Sola Scriptura. If we were then I would probably agree with you. But since our Faith also encompasses Tradition (with big and little “T”) and History, I have to look outside my Bible as well when discerning how to live my Faith.

~Liza
 
lizaanne said:
Well you see - we Catholic types aren’t living our Faith Sola Scriptura. If we were then I would probably agree with you. But since our Faith also encompasses Tradition (with big and little “T”) and History, I have to look outside my Bible as well when discerning how to live my Faith.

~Liza
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Head covering for women is a "T"radition?

BTW – I am not the Catholic quoting scripture to support wearing a head covering - I am noting that the quotes are NOT from the Gospels but other parts of the NT.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
I would put more stock in the ‘veil issue’ if there was mention in the GOSPELS about it.
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The whole Bible is the Word of God, not only the four Gospels. We are to listen to His Church as well as to what Jesus said in the Gospels. There was no need for Jesus to discuss what women should wear to Mass before He went to heaven. His Church wasn’t up and running until after Jesus went to heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to lead the Church. St. Paul’s Epistles, in Holy Scripture, are the Word of God, and isn’t just chat about what customs they had at that time, that could be dropped at any future time. St. Paul is talking about women covering their heads and how it relates to Jesus Christ’s relationship to His Church. Archbishop Fulton Sheen refers to this as a Divine prohibition on women and uncovered heads, because this is the Word of God.
 
Cathryn said:
The whole Bible is the Word of God, not just the four Gospels. We are to listen to His Church as well as to what Jesus said in the Gospels. There was no need for Jesus to discuss what women should wear to Mass before He went to heaven. His Church wasn’t up and running until after Jesus went to heaven and sent the Holy Spirit to lead the Church. St. Paul’s Epistles, in Holy Scripture, are the Word of God, and isn’t just chat about what customs they had at that time, that could be dropped at any future time. St. Paul is talking about women covering their heads and how it relates to Jesus Christ’s relationship to His Church. Archbishop Fulton Sheen refers to this as a Divine prohibition on women and uncovered heads, because this is the Word of God.
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Was quoting my statement twice an accident?

So we are not a Sola Scriptura church UNLESS it suits us? That is what this turn of thread is starting to look like.

BTW - when have had exchanges with some Christians who hold tight to Sola Scriptura they stay well away from the Gospels! :confused:
 
sorry - looks like the quote 2x things was glitchy or was edited
 
I am, as many of you know, a convert to the Church, so head coverings do not come natural to me.

A while ago, when we were instructed to show reverence by bowing our head before receiving communion something strange began happening in my mind/heart. Bobbing my head before receiving the Eucharist on my tongue did not seem adequate. My knees only work half the time, so a genuflection wasn’t practical for me. I love shawls, though, and frequently when I would get up and leave my pew to receive communion, I kept getting this urge to cover my head with my shawl before receiving. I have always managed to resist this temptation - but it is always there if I am wearing a shawl.

Oddly I don’t feel a need for my head to be covered at any other time. I have worried that covering my head with my shawl would draw attention to myself, or would be interpreted as me trying to be holier than thou. Finally, I broke down and ordered a mantilla from a Catholic on-line gift shop. I may only drape it over my head when I go to receive communion, I don’t know, but when I receive communion my head WILL be covered.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
**So we are not a Sola Scriptura church UNLESS it suits us? That is what this turn of thread is starting to look like.
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The bolded statement makes no sense.
We hold to the traditions that have been given to us via word or epistle (2 Thess 2:14 and 1 Cor 11:2)
Footnote for 2 Thess 2:14- “Traditions”… See here that the unwritten traditions are no less to be received than their epistles.

And, strangely enough, 1 Cor 11 is also the chapter which gives us headcoverings for women.
1 Cor 11: 10 with footnote italicized
Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.

10 *“A power”… that is, a veil or covering, as a sign that she is under the power of her husband: and this, the apostle adds, because of the angels, who are present in the assemblies of the faithful. *
BTW - when have had exchanges with some Christians who hold tight to Sola Scriptura they stay well away from the Gospels! :confused:
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I have never met a SS that doesn’t read the Gospels. That doesn’t make sense either.
 
Marsha_Adams said:
I am, as many of you know, a convert to the Church, so head coverings do not come natural to me.

A while ago, when we were instructed to show reverence by bowing our head before receiving communion something strange began happening in my mind/heart. Bobbing my head before receiving the Eucharist on my tongue did not seem adequate. My knees only work half the time, so a genuflection wasn’t practical for me. I love shawls, though, and frequently when I would get up and leave my pew to receive communion, I kept getting this urge to cover my head with my shawl before receiving. I have always managed to resist this temptation - but it is always there if I am wearing a shawl.

Oddly I don’t feel a need for my head to be covered at any other time. I have worried that covering my head with my shawl would draw attention to myself, or would be interpreted as me trying to be holier than thou. Finally, I broke down and ordered a mantilla from a Catholic on-line gift shop. I may only drape it over my head when I go to receive communion, I don’t know, but when I receive communion my head WILL be covered.
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👍 good for you!
 
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