Is The Chapel Veil Coming Back?

[Cathryn]

This o nly works if the husband actually does serve his wife as Christ serves h i s Church. For some women it just doesn’t work out this way.

I agree it doesn’t always work out that way. Especially if a woman marries a man who doesn’t even understand his role. If he is an abusive man a woman may have to live apart from him. Marriage involves sacrifice. If the husband is unwilling to sacrifice, he is not being a Christian husband. A couple needs to know and understand what a Christian marriage is and live it. It may take a lot of prayer and sacrifice on the part of one spouse to lead the other into living the role God intends for them. If a couple looks for a fifty fifty relationship they will both fail. Husband and wife’s “job” is to lead each other to eternal salvation as Christ leads His Church. They are One.

 

[Mrs_Mac]

Husband and wife are equal in mutual human dignity. They don’t have the same role.

I entierly agree with the magisterium on this. I just don’t understand what that has to do with veiling.

 

[THurifer2]

I entierly agree with the magisterium on this. I just don’t understand what that has to do with veiling.

It is scriptural. It is an outward act of piety. It is also not required and likely will never be required…But it is obviously gaining popularity. If you don’t want to veil that is fine.

My biggest concern is that either side doesn’t stare down their noses at the other on this issue. My wife has been a life long Catholic and has never even heard of a mantilla. due to the apparent resurgence towards traditional Catholicsim in our culture she has now seen them…especially on EWTN.She thinks its very appealing. In my liberal diocese she would become a white martyr…I think she is leaning towards doing it. There is a handful of women in our parish (who belong to our family rosary group) who just might start wearing them. Unfortuantely it will be an issue I am certain.

 

[Mrs_Mac]

The idea that you should submit to your husband is not just an ancient practice. It is a part of who we are as Christians.
This does not turn you into a doormat or a slave. You are a princess in the kingdom of heaven. As such it is his responsability to serve you. Does the princess of any kingdom try to do for herself, or rather does she in humility accept her station and perform the duties thereof?
If then, you follow Jesus way of being the greatest in the kingdom of heaven, serve him. Not out of anything other than acceptance of your rightful place as handmade of God. Demonstrating your love for God in dealings with all people. Jesus said whatever you have done unto the least of these you have done unto me. Does this apply only to those who are sick, hungry, naked or in prison? I don’t think so, and neither did the saints. Would it not be submitting to the will of Christ who is every womans true spouse to serve not only the poor with great love for him but also the ones equal to us in station and those whose place God has seen fit to place as our umbrella of protection no matter who they be.

Neither my husband nor my pastor nor my bishop nor Benedict XVI has ever asked me to wear a veil at Mass or at any other time.

 

[THurifer2]

Neither my husband nor my pastor nor my bishop nor Benedict XVI has ever asked me to wear a veil at Mass or at any other time.

Hypothetically now, if it did become a common practice (already has in some places) and the vast majority of women did it…do you think that would be a problem?

 

[Cathryn]

Neither my husband nor my pastor nor my bishop nor Benedict XVI has ever asked me to wear a veil at Mass or at any other time.

I wear a veil because of the Divine prohibition against an uncovered head, as Archbishop Fulton Sheen calls it, from Holy Scripture, not because someone asked me to wear it.

 

[Mrs_Mac]

Hypothetically now, if it did become a common practice (already has in some places) and the vast majority of women did it…do you think that would be a problem?

Well, I’m in New York, so that’s a real hypothetical. Veils are extremely rare here, mostly among a few immigrants. I would have a lot of difficulties with it if it became common practice because I believe that as a redeemed child of God, I have nothing to be ashamed of. Of course I dress modestly at Mass and at other times.

 

[THurifer2]

Well, I’m in New York, so that’s a real hypothetical. Veils are extremely rare here, mostly among a few immigrants. I would have a lot of difficulties with it if it became common practice because I believe that as a redeemed child of God, I have nothing to be ashamed of. Of course I dress modestly at Mass and at other times.

Is it fair for me to ask why you would have difficulties if it became common?

It isn’t required and likely never will be.

What does being ashamed have to do with wearing a veil?

Is it wrong for the immigrants to wear veils?

 

[THurifer2]

My wife just told me that if Men were wearing veils all this time false feminism would be screaming at how unfair it is that women can’t wear veils.

 

[Joannm]

Well, I’m in New York, so that’s a real hypothetical. Veils are extremely rare here, mostly among a few immigrants. I would have a lot of difficulties with it if it became common practice because I believe that as a redeemed child of God, I have nothing to be ashamed of. Of course I dress modestly at Mass and at other times.

Veils are rare here too. I know only of one person in my old parish who wore one. Back when I was a kid, pre-Vat II, most women wore hats to mass, not veils. Women tried to outdo each other with their hats. I had a nice collection of hats that my mom bought me. In the winter we just kept our hoods on or wore a neck scarf on our heads tied under our chins or our woolen caps. When we didn’t wear a hat we wore large bows or as a last resort kleenex.

 

[Mrs_Mac]

Is it fair for me to ask why you would have difficulties if it became common?

It isn’t required and likely never will be.

What does being ashamed have to do with wearing a veil?

Is it wrong for the immigrants to wear veils?

No, we actually welcome the immigrants to our Church in New York and we respect their traditions, including dress, just as we always have. We have a long history of welcoming people from around the world. We’re better for it.

I still don’t want to wear a veil, however. Call me impetuous.

 

[THurifer2]

I still don’t want to wear a veil, however. Call me impetuous.

You don’t have to wear a veil. You likely never will “have” to wear one. But in my diocese they are starting to show up. And I hope that people don’t look down their noses at the practice.

 

[Mrs_Mac]

I could never look down at anyone else’s sincerely practiced Christian or Catholic faith ever, ever.

You are my brother in Christ.

Mrs. Mac

 

[PatienceAndLove]

Then why is only one required to make a public sign of submission? I agree they do not have the same role, but if the role of one is to submit and the role of the other is to rule, then they are not equal. I have no problem with holy attire, both men and women should dress modestly and tastefully for Mass. What modest and tasteful means may vary from place to place. But covering your head because you must show public submission has nothing to do with modesty. Why is showing a woman’s face immodest or unholy?

A woman’s face is showing. It is her head that is covered.
http://www.monkrock.com/s/images/MR1042_X126_60.jpg

 

[PatienceAndLove]

A woman’s face is not immodest or unholy. Her head is not unholy either.

Both man and woman are submissive and obedient to God. A man represents Jesus Christ and is the head of his wife who represents the Church according to Holy Scripture. Jesus Christ is the head and His Church is His Body. Jesus Christ is the lover and His Church is the beloved. Jesus Christ and His Church are One, and a husband and wife are One. The role of men and woman in God’s plan is different.

When St. Paul explains why a woman is to cover her head he also explains in detail this **relationship of men and woman and explains that this is the relationship of Jesus Christ to His Church. This is why the Blessed Mother is spoken of as representing the Church. **

As with much of Catholic belief many things have multiple meaning.  **When a woman covers her head she is ultimitely giving to  God her submission to Him. **   Her husband only represents Jesus Christ in their marriage.    He is not Jesus Christ himself.  He is to sacrifice and love her as Christ loves His Church.    To understand this more fully you could read John Paul II teachings on Theology of the Body.

wonderful! :clapping:

 

[PatienceAndLove]

It is scriptural. It is an outward act of piety. It is also not required and likely will never be required…But it is obviously gaining popularity. If you don’t want to veil that is fine.

My biggest concern is that either side doesn’t stare down their noses at the other on this issue. My wife has been a life long Catholic and has never even heard of a mantilla. due to the apparent resurgence towards traditional Catholicsim in our culture she has now seen them…especially on EWTN.She thinks its very appealing. In my liberal diocese she would become a white martyr…I think she is leaning towards doing it. There is a handful of women in our parish (who belong to our family rosary group) who just might start wearing them. Unfortuantely it will be an issue I am certain.

The group of them should do it
Monkrock has some lovely veils that are not too expensive!

 

[lizaanne]

Neither my husband nor my pastor nor my bishop nor Benedict XVI has ever asked me to wear a veil at Mass or at any other time.

No one asked me or told me to wear a veil - it was my own decision, and my husband supports me 100%.

I think that’s got to be the major hang up with some women - they just REFUSE to be told to do anything they don’t want to do, or even FEEL like they are being TOLD. I think it would be interesting to see how many Catholic women would actually submit if the Church did in fact make it a rule for all women. Hmmmm - interesting. My guess is that many would just not do it and prefer to remain in defiance. But that’s a guess.

~Liza

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I could never look down at anyone else’s sincerely practiced Christian or Catholic faith ever, ever.

You are my brother in Christ.

Mrs. Mac

:hug1:
That is part of the problem. Many women who don’t veil are very anti-headcovering and make it known. It is ladies like you who “get it” (as in, why we do it) but don’t do it yourself.
Thank you.

 

[byers]

I am a younger woman and I attend mass at the Cathedral Basilica in St. Louis, MO. I am a convert but I do have a veil. I wear it to the TLM at a different church and to the earlier masses at the Cathedral. I do know a handful of women at the Cathedral and about 90% of the ladies at TLM do wear them. I think it is beautiful and I wear my veil simply because TO ME it represents modestly and humility before the Lord.

I will admit though that since I have finally convinced my boyfriend to start coming back to church I haven’t been wearing it when we go to church together because he doesn’t like the Cathedral and we tend to go to a church that is more jeans and t-shirts and I don’t feel comfortable wearing it there.

I would love to see it become more popular. If anyone would like to read more about it, this is the site where I first read about it.
fisheaters.com/theveil.html

Fisheaters is basically one of the sites that has tried to reintroduce the ‘veil’ unfortunately they are basically from the SPPX and are not in line with the magisterium.

 

[byers]

Some articles

catholicplanet.com/women/headcovering.htm
christianfamilyoutreach.com/pamphlets/theveil.pdf
catholicplanet.com/articles/article51.htm
latin-mass-society.org/wearmantilla.htm

Cannot speak for 2 of the sites, but catholicplanet is not a reliable site and is not in line with the magisterium. It is run by ron conte who has a bs in theology and who gives “his own personal opinions” on many topics. I certainly wouldn’t base any opinions on what you find there.