Is The Chapel Veil Coming Back?

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Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
When compared to the GENERAL SIMPLICITY of what was ACTUALLY WORN pre Vat II.
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So for the most part, you are saying, hats were worn pre Vat II? I can understand that, because hats were very popular years ago, moreso than today.

I’ve personally noticed, when I see a woman wearing a mantilla, that I do notice her, while walking in…

However, once service starts, everyone is seated, I don’t notice her. 🤷 I have to be honest and say, I’m more distracted by people’s clothing, than a mantilla.

I’m praying about headcovering. I’ve purchased scarfs, a few mantillas as well as, some simple Jewish coverings … when I have worn them (only twice), I feel like I am more focused on Mass. Maybe I do need to start headcovering so that I will stop being distracted myself…I don’t know, now I am rambling…

I really wish this forum could be a nice place for women to talk about headcovering … very openly, but I fear it’s not. So, I have decided to talk privately.

Signed, a non-headcovering soon to be Catholic…:rolleyes: just praying about it all. 😃
 
PatienceAndLove said:
Again- how exactly is a mantilla showy?
Do you mean mantillas specifically or are you calling all chapel veils/caps mantillas?
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Maybe she means, in comparison to the fashion of hats, specifically Pre Vat II. Which, .I’ve seen some doozies! Big flowers, feathers, etc… 😛

However, women stopped headcovering around the mid 60’s and Vat II didn’t happen until 1983, right?
 
DJgang said:
Maybe she means, in comparison to the fashion of hats, specifically Pre Vat II. Which, .I’ve seen some doozies! Big flowers, feathers, etc… 😛

However, women stopped headcovering around the mid 60’s and Vat II didn’t happen until 1983, right?
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V2 was before the 80s. Women’s headcovering stopped during the v2 council. A cardinal was asked if women had to cover anymore, he said that it hadn’t been discussed, newspapers published that women no longer had to, and covering ended 🤷
 
DJgang said:
Maybe she means, in comparison to the fashion of hats, specifically Pre Vat II. Which, .I’ve seen some doozies! Big flowers, feathers, etc… 😛

However, women stopped headcovering around the mid 60’s and Vat II didn’t happen until 1983, right?
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Vatican II ended in 1965. We stopped wearing hats in 1968. I remember becasue that it when I graduated elementary school and we did not wear hats or beanies when I was in HS.
 
DJgang said:
Maybe she means, in comparison to the fashion of hats, specifically Pre Vat II. Which, .I’ve seen some doozies! Big flowers, feathers, etc… 😛

However, women stopped headcovering around the mid 60’s and Vat II didn’t happen until 1983, right?
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I did not mention hats.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
I did not mention hats.
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Gee whiz…the poster you quoted did…so do you mind elaborating, both I and PatienceandLove are really trying to figure out what you mean.

We are young, we don’t remember pre Vat II…that’s the reason for our quizzing.

Thanks.
 
Joannm said:
Vatican II ended in 1965. We stopped wearing hats in 1968. I remember becasue that it when I graduated elementary school and we did not wear hats or beanies when I was in HS.
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Thank you for posting. I appreciate your experience and enjoy hearing it as well. 👍
 
Hats are coming back, in secular circles, as part of fashion. When I see a hat in church, I never know if it is a fashion accessory, or if the woman’s head is cold, or if it is a sign of reverence. When I see a woman wearing a chapel veil or mantilla, it is a pretty good bet that it is out of reverence for the Eucharist. Now, it really doesn’t matter why a woman chooses to wear a hat in church, but in this age when an amazing number of U.S. Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence I find a woman wearing a veil very endearing and encouraging sight.

I get the same feeling when I see a priest on the street in a collar, or a religious in habit. It makes me want to stand up and cheer to see a visible sign of faith in a secular world.
 
Going to daily Mass in grade school (1957 to 1965, no Mass for Kindergarteners) I wore a red beanie. If you had a pony tail (I didn’t my hair doesn’t look good that long) you folded the back under to accommodate it. The girls with the big ratted up hair styles folded theirs up so that they’d still have something on their heads and not flatten their hair. But on Sundays, by 4th or 5th grade, I was wearing a chapel veil. Easter meant a hat, but most Sundays, it was a chapel veil on my head. The girls in high school wore scarves, tied but the knot was ON their chins rather than under them. That looked silly to me, but was considered very fashionable in South St. Louis. My mother wore a hat until probably about 1960, then went to a mantilla. We just called them long chapel veils. In high school, I had to wear a gray beret for Mass my freshman year, but they got rid of them by the next year.

I think that since hats were going out of fashion, some resourceful women started wearing little circles of lace and started a whole new industry. Everyone had a little plastic pouch with a lace circle in it back in the day.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
The following is from another conversation I was a part of regarding veiling. If bits confuse you, let me know, and I will be glad to expound.

“For the angels” refers to the fact that the angels never go before God without covering their eyes and themselves with their wings. Because we are going before Jesus, in the form of the consecrated host in the tabernacle, we are to cover our heads, because the angels around us are covering themselves in reverence to Jesus.
When Jesus was on Earth, He was in His human form and not His Godly form. As the consecrated host, He is before us as God the Son. Therefore, it is appropriate to veil your head, as the angels do, in the Presence of God. The angels veil themselves in His presence, regardless of His physical state.
But when He was “wandering around Israel preaching and teaching” people didn’t know who He was, and He left it to those around Him to reveal and profess His nature.
So thus, in veiling ourselves, we are revealing and professing the nature of Jesus as Christ and God the Son.
But that’s just how I think of it.
And, additionally, we are veiling ourselves in response to our belief that the consecrated host IS God the Son before us, physically and spiritually, thus revealing and professing our belief in Transubstantiation.
We are veiling ourselves FOR the angels, beings I fully agree are below as being that we are made in the image of God.
However, being that we are higher beings than angels, we (women) veil ourselves for them, to keep from distracting them.
As I have described it to my daughter “Sometimes a woman does her hair so prettily that an angel would rather look at it, then adore Jesus” Thus, we veil ourselves for their sake.
Here are some lovely links regarding veiling, as well:
THE VEIL
Veiling
Headcovering for Catholic Women
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This is a beautiful and well-put explanation. I, personally, have felt in prayer that veiling is also, for me, a sign of my personal obedience to Him (I’m single). That said, I’m still too “chicken” to do so in my parish of registration where I’ve not seen anyone veiled. I usually go to one close by to it instead-not only due to this but also due to the immense amount of reverence and devotion in this other parish - it “reeks” of love for Our Lord. 🙂 👍
 
DJgang said:
Gee whiz…the poster you quoted did…so do you mind elaborating, both I and PatienceandLove are really trying to figure out what you mean.

We are young, we don’t remember pre Vat II…that’s the reason for our quizzing.

Thanks.
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May I ask why the Church stopped the veil in the first place? Not that it matters one way or another, but why is the church going back to it, if it was so important, why did they stop it?

Thank you God Bless
 
planter654 said:
May I ask why the Church stopped the veil in the first place? Not that it matters one way or another, but why is the church going back to it, if it was so important, why did they stop it?

Thank you God Bless
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The Church did not.
During V2, reporters asked if women had to veil. The response was “we have not discussed it”. The reporters wrote that women no longer had to. Headcovering has since been removed from canon law.
 
Source: The Atlanta Journal, Saturday, June 21, 1969, page 6-A
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**Women Required To Cover Head, Vatican Insists **
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VATICAN CITY (UPI) - A Vatican official says there has been no change, as reported, in the Roman Catholic rule that women cover their head in church.
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The Rev. Annibale Bugnini, secretary of the New Congregation for Divine Worship, said the reports stemmed from a misunderstanding of a statement he made at a news conference in May.
“The rule has not been changed,” he said. “It is a matter of general discipline. It began as a custom in the time of St. Paul and was later incorporated into canon law.”
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Photocopy of article:
lumengentleman.com/content.asp?id=228
 
PatienceAndLove said:
The Church did not.
During V2, reporters asked if women had to veil. The response was “we have not discussed it”. The reporters wrote that women no longer had to. Headcovering has since been removed from canon law.
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Interesting! 🤷 I had no idea, this thread is making me think a lot.
 
daeve said:
Going to daily Mass in grade school (1957 to 1965, no Mass for Kindergarteners) I wore a red beanie. If you had a pony tail (I didn’t my hair doesn’t look good that long) you folded the back under to accommodate it. The girls with the big ratted up hair styles folded theirs up so that they’d still have something on their heads and not flatten their hair. But on Sundays, by 4th or 5th grade, I was wearing a chapel veil. Easter meant a hat, but most Sundays, it was a chapel veil on my head. The girls in high school wore scarves, tied but the knot was ON their chins rather than under them. That looked silly to me, but was considered very fashionable in South St. Louis. My mother wore a hat until probably about 1960, then went to a mantilla. We just called them long chapel veils. In high school, I had to wear a gray beret for Mass my freshman year, but they got rid of them by the next year.

I think that since hats were going out of fashion, some resourceful women started wearing little circles of lace and started a whole new industry. Everyone had a little plastic pouch with a lace circle in it back in the day.
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Ok. So this just gave me the warm fuzzy feeling you get when your parents or grandparents tell you about a way of life that was left out of the history books.
 
Here is the photocopy from The Atlanta Journal, Saturday, June 21, 1969, page 6-A
 
planter654 said:
May I ask why the Church stopped the veil in the first place? Not that it matters one way or another, but why is the church going back to it, if it was so important, why did they stop it?

Thank you God Bless
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The ‘Church’ didn’t stop it – Catholic women did – particularly Catholic women in the Western world, primarily in English-speaking nations.

All the Church did was remove it from the code of canon law, so that women couldn’t be punished for not wearing one. The Biblical mandate still exists, and always will. You can read more about this here: catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-veiling-or-head-covering.html
 
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