Is The Chapel Veil Coming Back?

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catholicknight said:
The ‘Church’ didn’t stop it – Catholic women did – particularly Catholic women in the Western world, primarily in English-speaking nations.

All the Church did was remove it from the code of canon law, so that women couldn’t be punished for not wearing one. The Biblical mandate still exists, and always will. You can read more about this here: catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-veiling-or-head-covering.html
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If the Church really wanted it to be mandatory it would still be Canon Law.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
If the Church really wanted it to be mandatory it would still be Canon Law.
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not so fast.
The cannons of the church don’t work like that.
There is no cannon on the genuflection in front of the exposed blessed sacrament. Does that mean that the church no longer wants you to do so?
The lack of a cannon here does not mean that there is no need to do so as the scriptures are clear already.
 
surgei said:
not so fast.
The cannons of the church don’t work like that.
There is no cannon on the genuflection in front of the exposed blessed sacrament? Does that mean that the church no longer wants you to do so?
The lack of a cannon here does not mean that there is no need to do so as the scriptures are clear already.
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I am guessing that the Scriptural reference is not good enough?
(BTW- that is not to you)
 
surgei said:
not so fast.
The cannons of the church don’t work like that.
There is no cannon on the genuflection in front of the exposed blessed sacrament. Does that mean that the church no longer wants you to do so?
The lack of a cannon here does not mean that there is no need to do so as the scriptures are clear already.
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If I am going to be damned for not wearing a head covering to mass so be it.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
If I am going to be damned for not wearing a head covering to mass so be it.
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I don’t get it. It is such a simple thing. You can take it off when you leave the church. I have to keep a beard the whole time.
What if you were missing out on a blessing if you didn’t wear it?
 
surgei said:
I don’t get it. It is such a simple thing. You can take it off when you leave the church. I have to keep a beard the whole time.
What if you were missing out on a blessing if you didn’t wear it?
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Catholic men are required to have beards now?
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
If I am going to be damned for not wearing a head covering to mass so be it.
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That makes no sense.

No one here is trying to make you wear a veil. We are merely pointing out the Scriptural references for the practice, and giving personal antecdotes about what headcovering as done for us.
You can choose to cover or not cover. It is your choice. But don’t become belligerent or obstinate about the practice or those who do veil. It is our choice to do so, just as it is your choice to not.
 
Does he feel that way when he sees an image of Our Blessed Mother? Nuns? Mother Theresa? Middle Eastern women? Or is it just lace he has issues with? Sexualizing the practice of covering one’s head for Mass would be the same as a woman saying she gets turned on when she sees a priest in a cassock. It is a disordered perception of reality.
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sorry lizanne…but neither the Blessed Mother, Nuns, Mother Theresa or Middle Eastern women wear “lacy mantillas”…they wear a heavy fabric headcovering. Now if you want to put a heavy muslin fabric over your head…then we maybe your argument would make sense.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
That makes no sense.

No one here is trying to make you wear a veil. We are merely pointing out the Scriptural references for the practice, and giving personal antecdotes about what headcovering as done for us.
You can choose to cover or not cover. It is your choice. But don’t become belligerent or obstinate about the practice or those who do veil. It is our choice to do so, just as it is your choice to not.
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I am not the one being belligerent or obstinate.

I am responding to the ‘pressure’ being applied regarding not wearing one after it was noted that it was no longer mandated by Canon Law.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
Catholic men are required to have beards now?
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I’m not Roman Catholic I am Orthodox Christian. Yes there is the ancient practice of the Church based in the scriptures that men have beards. The idea that men did not is realatively new except for the aristocracy. Even the aristocratic men would not be clean shaven all the time.
Look at the pictures of the popes of the middle ages. This is a side issue none the less.
What do you do with the scriptural directive?
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
I am not the one being belligerent or obstinate.

I am responding to the ‘pressure’ being applied regarding not wearing one after it was noted that it was no longer mandated by Canon Law.
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No one applied pressure.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
They are not required.
He is merely pointing at that women can take off veils while men keep facial hair all the time.
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Then there is no relationship between the beard comment and the head covering. I am puzzled - how do they fit?
 
surgei said:
I’m not Roman Catholic I am Orthodox Christian. Yes there is the ancient practice of the Church based in the scriptures that men have beards. The idea that men did not is realatively new except for the aristocracy. Even the aristocratic men would not be clean shaven all the time.
Look at the pictures of the popes of the middle ages. This is a side issue none the less.
What do you do with the scriptural directive?
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I am not an Orthodox Christian - I am Roman Catholic.

I am not bound by the Orthodox view of that ‘directive’.
 
catholicknight said:
The ‘Church’ didn’t stop it – Catholic women did – particularly Catholic women in the Western world, primarily in English-speaking nations.

All the Church did was remove it from the code of canon law, so that women couldn’t be punished for not wearing one. ** The Biblical mandate still exists,** and always will. You can read more about this here: catholicknight.blogspot.com/2007/12/chapel-veil-veiling-or-head-covering.html
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I respectfully take issue with your comment that “the biblical mandate still exists”. We are not protestants. We follow the mandates of the Church. The Church is the interpreter of scripture, we do not as protestants do, decide on the meaning of every biblical verse as if we are each our own private popes.

We respect that since the bible belongs to the Church the Church has the right to interpret it according to the wisdom assigned to it by Christ. The church no longer mandates the wearing of a headcovering and that should settle the issue. You may wear a whatever on your head as you will, but do not try to justify it by saying the biblical mandate is still in effect, when the Church has indicated that it is not by no longer requiring us to maintain this custom.
 
PatienceAndLove said:
That makes no sense.

No one here is trying to make you wear a veil. We are merely pointing out the Scriptural references for the practice, and giving personal antecdotes about what headcovering as done for us.
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I and many other women have had many of the same things WITHOUT wearing one.

AS with with personal devotional items and practices -one prays as they can - not as they can’t.
 
byers said:
I respectfully take issue with your comment that “the biblical mandate still exists”. We are not protestants. We follow the mandates of the Church. The Church is the interpreter of scripture, we do not as protestants do, decide on the meaning of every biblical verse as if we are each our own private popes.

We respect that since the bible belongs to the Church the Church has the right to interpret it according to the wisdom assigned to it by Christ. The church no longer mandates the wearing of a headcovering and that should settle the issue. You may wear a whatever on your head as you will, but do not try to justify it by saying the biblical mandate is still in effect, when the Church has indicated that it is not by no longer requiring us to maintain this custom.
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Thank you.
 
Just_1_hr_a_wk said:
The other poster implying that even without specific Canon Law it was still mandatory, comments re scripture references or ‘missing a blessing’ - those are pressures here.
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If you think about it, if the Church has not “mandated” something, then we are to turn to the Scriptures for guidance.
 
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