Is the Church doing enough for the poor?

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bisco said:
did she ever ask if the church doing enough for the poor?
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I’m sure she did and if I read her biography correctly, she was called personally by God for this service. She was reluctant at first but by prayer and strength she was able to fulfill the duties ask of her.
 
i’m not sure, but it would be great to understand her viewpoint. perhaps i’m misunderstanding your original post. imo, the church can never do enough for the poor, all she can do is preserver. nothing wrong with a call to arms every now and then.
 
bisco said:
i’m not sure, but it would be great to understand her viewpoint. perhaps i’m misunderstanding your original post. imo, the church can never do enough for the poor, all she can do is preserver. nothing wrong with a call to arms every now and then.
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My point is for us in the Church not to forget the poor and down trotted.
 
okay, i understand. i don’t think that’s happening, but i have never seen a comprehensive report from the church on where all the money goes. i trust Jesus to guide her in the right direction.
 
WilT said:
My point is for us in the Church not to forget the poor and down trotted.
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As has already been pointed out the Church does more for the poor than any organization on the face of the earth. Its a bogus issue-usually bought up by non-Catholics but occasionally joined in by Catholics as well People should be concerned about their personal obligation to help the poor much more than others obligation to help the poor.
 
estesbob said:
As has already been pointed out the Church does more for the poor than any organization on the face of the earth. Its a bogus issue-usually bought up by non-Catholics but occasionally joined in by Catholics as well People should be concerned about their personal obligation to help the poor much more than others obligation to help the poor.
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In your usual succinct way, you’ve come up with words I’ve been struggling to say.

There is an increased focus on the poor as if we’ve never even thought about them before. I wonder why. The mission of the Church and her *first *duty is the salvation of souls; nonetheless she ministers to the whole man, body and soul as the gospel dictates. The poor must be sustained in their necessities, but why is the focal point on these threads becoming only about the material needs of the poor? Do I sniff the faint smell of a political ideology here? I hope not. 😦
 
estesbob said:
As has already been pointed out the Church does more for the poor than any organization on the face of the earth. Its a bogus issue-usually bought up by non-Catholics but occasionally joined in by Catholics as well People should be concerned about their personal obligation to help the poor much more than others obligation to help the poor.
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If you read scriptures estesbob you would see that attention to the poor is mentioned not only once but many times. A lot of times. The Catholic letters and epistles mentions it as well. If it’s important and good enough for Jesus and His followers, it’s good enough for me. They’re some Catholics that blatantly refuse to hear Jesus’ concerns and teachings.
 
WilT said:
If you read scriptures estesbob you would see that attention to the poor is mentioned not only once but many times. A lot of times. The Catholic letters and epistles mentions it as well. If it’s important and good enough for Jesus and His followers, it’s good enough for me. They’re some Catholics that blatantly refuse to hear Jesus’ concerns and teachings.
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Quite a straw man you have built here. Nobody said we shouldn’t help the poor. The thread is about the absurd contention , from some, that the Church doesn’t do “enough” to help the poor-in spite of them being the largest private charity in the world.
 
WilT said:
They’re some Catholics that blatantly refuse to hear Jesus’ concerns and teachings.
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I could not make this statement and I wonder how you can possibly know this as it relates to this thread? In an earlier post, someone told you there are different directions we, as individuals, take in fulfilling our obligations to the needy. Are you judging others because they do not follow your specific ideas and plan as to how to alleviate poverty?
 
WilT said:
They’re some Catholics that blatantly refuse to hear Jesus’ concerns and teachings.
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Absolutely. Liberal ‘catholics’ who approve of abortion and homosexual marriage. 50% of Catholics voted for a staunch pro abortion president.
Half-hearted Catholics–those who believe only some of the Church’s teachings–aren’t really Catholics at all.
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“They may call themselves Catholic,” said Pope Francis at his morning Mass at the Domus Sancta Marthae, “but they have one foot out the door.”
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johnnyc176 said:
Absolutely. Liberal ‘catholics’ who approve of abortion and homosexual marriage. 50% of Catholics voted for a staunch pro abortion president.
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Regrettably, the above group sometimes favors social justice issues to the detriment of life agendas. But when it comes to how we help the poor it is a matter of prudential judgment. Authentic Christians do not question the fact that they must feed the hungry, but if the political realm is introduced and nuances suggested that a certain method must be followed, or one that advocates the State should be the arbiter of moral concerns, I get a little touchy.
 
Tigg said:
Regrettably, the above group sometimes favors social justice issues to the detriment of life agendas. But when it comes to how we help the poor it is a matter of prudential judgment. Authentic Christians do not question the fact that they must feed the hungry, but if the political realm is introduced and nuances suggested that a certain method must be followed, or one that advocates the State should be the arbiter of moral concerns, I get a little touchy.
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Friends, we are Catholics. We just don’t wing it in this life! There is a Christian code of conduct sort of speak we must follow. If one reads the Scriptures Jesus himself instructs the early Christian on caring for one another especially for the poor, widowed and the sick. Jesus highlighted the commandments by stating it’s priorities which are to Love God first, and the second one is to love thy neighbor. Very clear.
 
Tigg said:
Regrettably, the above group sometimes favors social justice issues to the detriment of life agendas. But when it comes to how we help the poor it is a matter of prudential judgment. Authentic Christians do not question the fact that they must feed the hungry, but if the political realm is introduced and nuances suggested that a certain method must be followed, or one that advocates the State should be the arbiter of moral concerns, I get a little touchy.
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It also get quite touchy when people believe they can fulfill their personal obligation to help the poor by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for them.

A basic tenant of our Faith is we are REQUIRED to help the poor and needy. The “how” of this is not a tenant of our Faith nor is there any Church required way that we do it.
 
WilT said:
Friends, we are Catholics. We just don’t wing it in this life! There is a Christian code of conduct sort of speak we must follow. If one reads the Scriptures Jesus himself instructs the early Christian on caring for one another especially for the poor, widowed and the sick. Jesus highlighted the commandments by stating it’s priorities which are to Love God first, and the second one is to love thy neighbor. Very clear.
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Scripture is very clear and I agree about the priority thing. **But **how do we help the poor if they are not even allowed to be born??
 
estesbob said:
It also get quite touchy when people believe they can fulfill their personal obligation to help the poor by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for them.

A basic tenant of our Faith is we are REQUIRED to help the poor and needy. The “how” of this is not a tenant of our Faith nor is there any Church required way that we do it.
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Spot on!
 
estesbob said:
It also get quite touchy when people believe they can fulfill their personal obligation to help the poor by voting for someone who promises to take other peoples money and do it for them.
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You keep bringing this up, but can you cite one person who claims that voting for government policy changes absolves us of all responsibility to the poor?
 
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