Is the Church doing enough for the poor?

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I don’t see how paying for “big slabs of marble” and feeding the poor are mutually exclusive. Every time the Church pays for a furnishing, a building, or any kind of improvement, the money goes into the economy. Don’t marble cutters deserve their wages? Don’t artisans deserve a market for their goods?

My parish has commissioned some rather large sculptures as altar pieces in recent years. The commission was given to a very poor artist who lives in Mexico. Because of our patronage, he is able to feed his family in the long term and provide for their needs. Also, he has honest and legitimate work doing what he loves. What could be a better exchange than this?

Furthermore, is the public not better served by having this art in an accessible place where it can be viewed and appreciated, where it can lift the mind and soul to worship of the Holy Trinity? What better place than a public parish church where all may benefit from its presence? If we decided to be a poorer church and sold all our furnishings to feed the poor, then those furnishings would be locked away in private residences and for the edification of nobody but the owner. What good would that be?

The Church is the steward of goods entrusted to her by the community. Therefore it is incumbent upon the Church to make those goods perpetually accessible by the faithful for their use in worship and liturgy. It is also incumbent to use the finest furnishings possible given the means of the parish or community. Nothing less would be fitting for the glory of God.
…Ok, I admit, I’d never thought of it this way. I mean yeah, it doesn’t really explain things like Bernini’s commission from the Vatican for "Apollo and Daphne"but I’d never thought of it this way on the modern local level before.

Thank you, this post was quite thought provoking 🙂
 
Think of it this way. Jesus told everyone to give everything up to follow him, and that it was easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich men to enter into heaven right?

Would a poor Jewish carpenter who preached giving to the sick and needy really be thrilled that so much cash went towards the marble monolith that is St Peters?

Don’t get me wrong the Catholic Church is a big giver in medical care and education, it’s a great place to evangelize, been that way since the early days of the Church. Just…Yeah, just there’s a whole lot of a marble around and bling on the upper clergy but there’s still a whole lot of kids starving.

(Note: This is not a dig at Catholicism, I know there are other institutions like this, I’m just stating my own personal opinion concerning what the OP asked.)
I think you have misunderstood what Jesus said. He did not tell everyone to give up everything they have and follow him.
 
Yes Thorns Jesus did say that while he walked with us on Earth. He is priority then, and now, but have you read what has been said about the poor. One can start with the Beatitudes in the Mathew’s Gospel. Then frequently through more Gospels, then the Epistles and letters, then there will be a whole lot in the Old Testament as well.
 
True, it is fitting that when we praise and worship God that we provide for Him the finest of materials most especially in the liturgy.
 
Yes Thorns Jesus did say that while he walked with us on Earth. He is priority then, and now, but have you read what has been said about the poor. One can start with the Beatitudes in the Mathew’s Gospel. Then frequently through more Gospels, then the Epistles and letters, then there will be a whole lot in the Old Testament as well.
If Jesus truly said that every single person must sell all he has, then what was wrong with the disciples in the Book of Acts, who held much property in common and gave to each according to his need? Why didn’t they give it all away to the poor?
 
I think you have misunderstood what Jesus said. He did not tell everyone to give up everything they have and follow him.
Possible, but lets see…This is the first passage that springs to mind.
Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
And considering it’s only the perfect souls that can enter heaven…Well, you could get in without doing it but it looks like it’s going to be harder.
 
Chatter163, I come across homeless under bridges, sitting in their cars and in parks, in the libraries and many other locations. The homeless need more than handouts. They need a place where to lay their heads and to rest if ill. Have you ever been sick and needed to stay in bed and rest? Well, if they are lucky to stay in a armory or homeless park they must vacate it by early morning. Most facilities request that. Now, were do they go afterwards to heal themselves? You and I can just stay home and rest in a quiet warm place in our beds they can’t.
I see the local police stopping them if they stay in one place too long. They get thrown out of certain communities that promote ‘neighborhood watch’.
Continuing on, giving them one or two nights doesn’t help them too much. They need long term help. May I suggest a community of small 1 br. shack or buildings with 6 months agreements that can be renewed. Sleeping in the rain on wet concrete is not a comfortable place to lay ones head ‘And their was no place for them in the Inn’. We have many well intended Catholics but yet we need not look away from the homeless’ many needs.
The Church does more than any other institution on earth. Is it enough? Can a person love “enough?” Of course not.

But on the list of groups or people who deserve to be called out for not caring for the poor, the RCC is at the bottom. You really want to skip every other group and target them? Not to mention, you are arguing based on anecdotes, not actual facts. There will always be poor and needy, and someone will always be left outside after the doors have been shut. To expect otherwise is folly.
 
Dixieagle, it’s no joke. Why else would our Holy Father Francis bring it up if it wasn’t occurring? The poor need more attention to than just handouts. More work to be done. Yes, in the States we are big givers but most of it goes to administrative fees to the Charities in charge and very little gets out to the streets where it is needed. When was the last time you spend 10 minutes or even 5 minutes talking with a homeless? Once you do then you may begin to see their plight.
Not everyone can tackle every problem. I have prayed outside abortions clinics and talked to women considering abortion in a pleading effort not to more times than I can count. I have only talked to a homeless person a few times.

Conversely, how many pregnant women have you counseled? How many people promoting gay marriage have you stopped and evangelized with the truth of God’s plan for humanity? Both are as grave an issue if not moreso than homelessness. Not every person can do everything, but it rarely isn;t for lack of caring.
 
The Church and no church or non-profit can solve homelessness. Even the government can’t solve homelessness. I have worked with many homeless people during my life and the biggest problem that I have run into is alcohol and drug abuse. Some just won’t stop using it. I have set up people in apartments, new jobs and a few weeks or months later they are back abusing drugs, losing their jobs and being evicted from their apartment.
The homelessness problem is connected to dysfunctional families, fatherlessness, prison records, narcissism, and depression due to lack of affirmation. Have you every read Father and Child Reunion by Dr. Warren Farrell? So many people are born into unhealthy single mother families or foster care and they are never properly raised. Many are abused as children. With political correctness and low salaries, government therapists (funded by Medi-Cal) are largely useless so it is difficult for a person who is not well off to become psychologically healthy after being born into a dysfunctional family. The homeless often have prison records, sometimes they commit crimes just because prison seems a better alternative than their current life. As a result, they find it difficult to get jobs, and remain poor.

How is it possible to solve this problem when the majority of our society has started to see single mothers as heroes rather than as tragic victims who are severely psychologically dysfunctional? Or most therapists are dysfunctional themselves? :confused:
 
Hi Happycathlic01, my focus and topic is about the poor. Yes, I have stood before abortion clinics and unsuccessfully counseled lgbt. Poverty and homelessness is in the forefront with Our Holy Father so it is an important and pertinent issue.
 
The Church is doing a LOT to help the poor, but I find it paradoxical that it does not speak out in a loud and clear voice about the deep degree of poverty that affects the world.

LOVE! ❤️
 
yes and I agree Robert Stock. Gracefully Our Holy Father Francis is leading us that direction.
 
Let us all pray for the Grace to be able to see the plight of the poor and for the strength and courage to help them.:console:
 
The Economy in the World has crumbled and somehow it always seems to point or effect the poor. In London they are placing spikes where the homeless rest or lay. In the U.S. it hasn’t gone that far but I have seen an upswing of park benches and city benches placing roll bars midway to discourage resting. Bathrooms are locked up requiring keys, coins, or permission of some sort to use them or deny them. I suspect there will be more of this. This indirect attack to the poor for the blame of the Econo bing.com/images/search?q=‘Homeless+spikes’&qpvt=%27Homeless+spikes%27&FORM=IGREmy players. :mad:
 
The Economy in the World has crumbled and somehow it always seems to point or effect the poor. In London they are placing spikes where the homeless rest or lay. In the U.S. it hasn’t gone that far but I have seen an upswing of park benches and city benches placing roll bars midway to discourage resting. Bathrooms are locked up requiring keys, coins, or permission of some sort to use them or deny them. I suspect there will be more of this. This indirect attack to the poor for the blame of the Econo bing.com/images/search?q=‘Homeless+spikes’&qpvt=%27Homeless+spikes%27&FORM=IGREmy players. :mad:
If anyone knows how to solve this problem or make it better, they should step up to the plate. Already doing that? Do more! There are shelters to help people in need but some do not want to follow house rules. Sometimes it seems like a merry-go-round. There are people who get involved with programs and societies that provide meals and clothing and even shelter and sometimes there are thankless people that take advantage of every program available then turn around and complain about everything. Cities need to know if “Tent cities” and park benches are really helping the homeless or if they are encouraging more homeless by making things a little easier for them. You would think that if the living conditions were so terrible that they may try harder to survive. But many of them have mental issues and some do not have families to go home to. However, I watched a documentary several years ago that discoved that many of the homeless living in squalor did have families to go home to and wanted to help them but they did not want to be helped. It is easier to blame the church, blame the city, blame God…than to blame ourselves for not doing enough. Why do we need to blame anyone? JUST DO IT!
 
Most homeless people don’t want to have a home.
I can attest to this and frequently in our local soup kitchen although many want (and need the meal we are serving) they cannot even bear the thought of coming inside the dining room to sit while they eat. I’ve seen them take their plate over to the table, wrap the food in a napkin and go outside with it.

They are still free human beings; is their will to be discounted as we force them to do what we believe is the best for them?
 
I have been working with and alongside the poor and the homeless and I have found that the Church is doing very little to not only care for them but to promote independence. The other day I read that the Bishops of the U.S. were having a convention at this plush 4 to 5 star waterfront hotel while the homeless in the area were struggling to find there next meal. Even though the Catholic Church has been a leader in protecting and caring for the poor, our Bishops have lost focus on ‘The Lost Sheep’ and prefer siding with the upper class and the powerful seeking comfort and laxness to service and humility. If I were to grade them today I would give them a D+. The tepid/luke warm I will vomit them from my mouth sayith the Lord.
The Catholic Church is the largest private charity in the world. no one else is even close. The question we should be asking is “Am** I** doing enough to help the poor”
 
I agree that our Church throughout the Centuries has and still is doing great things for the disadvantaged and poor. It is no coincidence that we Today have a Pope campaigning for equality, fairness, and justice. I’ve worked and have sat and had meals with the homeless for over 12 years. I’ve seen and witness the pitfalls they go through. It’s heartbreaking and moving. Not all homeless should be considered drug dealers, alcoholics, or loners of some sort. Many in there want what everyone wants and that is shelter, food, and friendships. Sure some of them can be rebellious but should we take away any of there help? May I suggest that they may rebel sometimes because there can be red tape attached to some service providers.
 
I agree that our Church throughout the Centuries has and still is doing great things for the disadvantaged and poor. It is no coincidence that we Today have a Pope campaigning for equality, fairness, and justice. I’ve worked and have sat and had meals with the homeless for over 12 years. I’ve seen and witness the pitfalls they go through. It’s heartbreaking and moving. Not all homeless should be considered drug dealers, alcoholics, or loners of some sort. Many in there want what everyone wants and that is shelter, food, and friendships. Sure some of them can be rebellious but should we take away any of there help? May I suggest that they may rebel sometimes because there can be red tape attached to some service providers.
I don’t think anyone suggested that ALL of the of the homeless should be "considered drug dealers, alchoholics, or loners of some sort. What some of us are disagreeing with is your comment in your first post,* "… I have found that the Church is doing very little to not only care for them but to promote independence. " *, which is contradictory to what you wrote here.
 
There are people who get involved with programs and societies that provide meals and clothing and even shelter and sometimes there are thankless people that take advantage of every program available then turn around and complain about everything
I have read your earlier quote zab and I know we will not agree only because I feel you lack the charity needed to understand the plight of the poor.
 
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