Is The Church headed for Schism?

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With all of the news out in the last several months : the health mandate; to the document on LCWR ; to The Pope reigning in dissident Austrians; to The Pope admonishing US Bishops to follow the Vatican on Teaching ; and given the loud push back from the modernist side, i cannot help but wonder if the Church in the Western countries is not heading for a Schism. Much like Luther and Calvin, those who wish to change Theology are fighting very hard to draw a line in the sand. The saber rattling from the liberal publications, the Catholic Universities that are defiant to Church Authority, and even some Bishops and Priests becoming hostile to the attempts of The Holy Father to right the ship. Not to mention the pilling on by the secular media and hedonists in the public sector. I feel Catholics are quickly coming to a point where we will have to choose sides. This will get messy. Thoughts anyone?
 
That’s a lot of messy stuff in one post. You should add the Super Moon and global warming to it. 😉

No, I don’t think that all that messy stuff adds up to a schism.
 
I’m not sure. But it will definitely be a time that will separate the sheep from the goats. I have heard, however, good news. It seems that orthodoxy is beginning to triumph among a good portion of the youth of the Church (I speak about those who are in their late teens through mid 30s). A lot of us (I’m 20) are tired of having no answers and being told “truth is subjective” and “if it feels good, do it”. We know there is more to life than that. There was a whole editorial in the Wall Street Journal recently about how traditional Catholicism is winning.
 
They are already in schism with respect to the Church, just not officially. Quite frankly it doesn’t matter. Their distortion of the Church is their conscious choice, not ours. The vast majority already know where they will end up, and they aren’t preparing to bring sunblock, so to speak.
 
Dirt said:
I feel Catholics are quickly coming to a point where we will have to choose sides. This will get messy. Thoughts anyone?
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I choose Jesus.

The rest of it is just history repeating itself.

“Pray, hope and don’t worry.” * ~ Padre Pio*
 
Some say there is already a schism, it’s just not yet proclaimed. That may be so, but I think that it might end up that some will just break off from or leave the Church. (Is that the same thing?)

Some of the religious sisters (and priests and theologians) are so far gone that it would take a major moral miracle for them to return to the truths of the faith.
 
JackVk said:
I’m not sure. But it will definitely be a time that will separate the sheep from the goats. I have heard, however, good news. It seems that orthodoxy is beginning to triumph among a good portion of the youth of the Church (I speak about those who are in their late teens through mid 30s). A lot of us (I’m 20) are tired of having no answers and being told “truth is subjective” and “if it feels good, do it”. We know there is more to life than that. There was a whole editorial in the Wall Street Journal recently about how traditional Catholicism is winning.
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Amen and I am with my German Shepherd appointed by the Holy Spirit, I would rather be part of a leaner more faithful Church than worry about the numbers. I am for truth.
 
JackVk said:
I’m not sure. But it will definitely be a time that will separate the sheep from the goats. I have heard, however, good news. It seems that orthodoxy is beginning to triumph among a good portion of the youth of the Church (I speak about those who are in their late teens through mid 30s). A lot of us (I’m 20) are tired of having no answers and being told “truth is subjective” and “if it feels good, do it”. We know there is more to life than that. There was a whole editorial in the Wall Street Journal recently about how traditional Catholicism is winning.
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Thats really good to hear!

If the Church is heading for a schism, lets pray fervantly to try to prevent it.
 
Maryann_C said:
Amen and I am with my German Shepherd appointed by the Holy Spirit, I would rather be part of a leaner more faithful Church than worry about the numbers. I am for truth.
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I have to agree with the concept of having a leaner, more faithful Church that stands by the truth, rather than having lots of numbers but very little real faith.👍
 
Dirt said:
With all of the news out in the last several months : the health mandate; to the document on LCWR ; to The Pope reigning in dissident Austrians; to The Pope admonishing US Bishops to follow the Vatican on Teaching ; and given the loud push back from the modernist side, i cannot help but wonder if the Church in the Western countries is not heading for a Schism. Much like Luther and Calvin, those who wish to change Theology are fighting very hard to draw a line in the sand. The saber rattling from the liberal publications, the Catholic Universities that are defiant to Church Authority, and even some Bishops and Priests becoming hostile to the attempts of The Holy Father to right the ship. Not to mention the pilling on by the secular media and hedonists in the public sector. I feel Catholics are quickly coming to a point where we will have to choose sides. This will get messy. Thoughts anyone?
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I don’t see any reason why there would be. The LCWR, the dissident Austrians, et al., are dead man walking. Everywhere modernism is prevailing, the church is dying. The modernists are dead men walking. Why bother with declaring them to be in schism? They can be waited out. The modernists I suspect know this too – why bother going schismatic themselves, simply to give their hated enemies one more thing to gloat about as they dance on their graves?
 
The problem really is (as the USCCB has been promoting for a while) the failure to evangelize. Our older generations still remember their Baltimore Catechism days, and our younger generation seem to be getting a very good, solid education through CCD(RE). But the ones in between often have no real understanding of their faith. They grew up in the “Love Jesus, Love everyone, love, love, love” era, and it’s beginning to show. That’s why we as laity must step up and help our pastors however we can to increase those three areas of evangelization and make a difference in our faith.

We’ve got to start reaching out to shoe who are fallen away and help them find their way back. We also have to pay close attention to current members, and help them to grow in their faith. Then we’ve got to start reaching out to people of other faiths, and show them what catholicsm has to offer. It’s going to be a long trek, but if we get up and preach at all times the gospel, when necessary using words (Bless you St. Francis) then we will indeed draw the people back to the true church.
 
bmullins said:
The problem really is (as the USCCB has been promoting for a while) the failure to evangelize. Our older generations still remember their Baltimore Catechism days, and our younger generation seem to be getting a very good, solid education through CCD(RE). But the ones in between often have no real understanding of their faith. They grew up in the “Love Jesus, Love everyone, love, love, love” era, and it’s beginning to show. That’s why we as laity must step up and help our pastors however we can to increase those three areas of evangelization and make a difference in our faith.

We’ve got to start reaching out to shoe who are fallen away and help them find their way back. We also have to pay close attention to current members, and help them to grow in their faith. Then we’ve got to start reaching out to people of other faiths, and show them what catholicsm has to offer. It’s going to be a long trek, but if we get up and preach at all times the gospel, when necessary using words (Bless you St. Francis) then we will indeed draw the people back to the true church.
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RE: Your signature. The CCC (2418) also says 'it is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals, however one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons."
 
bmullins said:
The problem really is (as the USCCB has been promoting for a while) the failure to evangelize. Our older generations still remember their Baltimore Catechism days, and our younger generation seem to be getting a very good, solid education through CCD(RE). But the ones in between often have no real understanding of their faith. They grew up in the “Love Jesus, Love everyone, love, love, love” era, and it’s beginning to show. That’s why we as laity must step up and help our pastors however we can to increase those three areas of evangelization and make a difference in our faith.

We’ve got to start reaching out to shoe who are fallen away and help them find their way back. We also have to pay close attention to current members, and help them to grow in their faith. Then we’ve got to start reaching out to people of other faiths, and show them what catholicsm has to offer. It’s going to be a long trek, but if we get up and preach at all times the gospel, when necessary using words (Bless you St. Francis) then we will indeed draw the people back to the true church.
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👍 Only thing I’d add is to begin our efforts with much prayer. :crossrc:
 
I may be insular by living in the East Village area of NYC and attending a Polish parish church that is run by an order of Polish Paulist priests headquartered at the shrine of Czestochowa in PA. The congregation mainly immigrants and 1st generation American. The priests are really “Old School” from Poland and, like the congregation are very conservative. And considering the nature of the Diocese of New York, we have not been exposed to many of the aberrations I read about on this site. These things would not be tolerated in my parish or in my Diocese.
In my parish, a mixture of Latin and Polish or Latin and English is used. For example, just yesterday I attended the first Benediction completely in Latin I have witnessed in almost 40 years!
 
LegoGE1947 said:
RE: Your signature. The CCC (2418) also says 'it is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals, however one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons."
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I’m aware of that, what does that have to do with evangelization or the topic at hand?
 
LegoGE1947 said:
RE: Your signature. The CCC (2418) also says 'it is likewise unworthy to spend money on them that should as a priority go to the relief of human misery. One can love animals, however one should not direct to them the affection due only to persons."
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All that means is that you should not let your child starve for example. I have met many people I dislike, I have not met any animal I dislike.

Why are you going off topic and really, unless you have something positive to say, it is not done to make a comment on that which is not part of the post.
 
severus68 said:
All that means is that you should not let your child starve for example. I have met many people I dislike, I have not met any animal I dislike.

Why are you going off topic and really, unless you have something positive to say, it is not done to make a comment on that which is not part of the post.
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😊 Sorry! I will, however say that I’ve met some rats, mice, houseflies, cockroaches, skunks, and rattlesnakes I didn’t like too much.🙂 I’ll try to keep to the subject.
 
George_Stegmeir said:
I may be insular by living in the East Village area of NYC and attending a Polish parish church that is run by an order of Polish Paulist priests headquartered at the shrine of Czestochowa in PA. The congregation mainly immigrants and 1st generation American. The priests are really “Old School” from Poland and, like the congregation are very conservative. And considering the nature of the Diocese of New York, we have not been exposed to many of the aberrations I read about on this site. These things would not be tolerated in my parish or in my Diocese.
In my parish, a mixture of Latin and Polish or Latin and English is used. For example, just yesterday I attended the first Benediction completely in Latin I have witnessed in almost 40 years!
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That sounds like such a blessing!🙂
 
My opinion is that the Church is doing just fine. Sure, there are some struggles between the local bishops and the Holy Father, but almost all of these are cordial and minor. I think the first post is a great exaggeration of the state of the Church, focusing only on the areas that make the papers and ignore the vast majority of Catholics to who this is meaningless. Look into your diocesan paper. Does it look like a state of crisis or just the Church going about its mission?
 
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