Is the Communion of Saints the most profound pun ever?

[NotWorthy]

When we recieve the Eucharist, we don’t recieve the saints, but we are united with them.

One reason the Eucharist builds up the body of Christ is that…when you recieve the eucharist along with everyone else in a church…you are all sort of “linked” by the fact that the same substance is in all of you. The saints do not literally have Jesus in their stomachs in the same way, but they are filled with his divinity in the beatific vision.

When I receive the Eucharist, I receive the Body of Christ in His Entirety.

Now are the Saints in Heaven part of the Body of Christ? Do I receive only part of the Body of Christ?

 

[NotWorthy]

BTW, I forgot to give more information on the CD.

catholicity.com/cds/eucharist.html

The author is Vinny Flynn. His book in 7 secrets of the Eucharist.

 

[dylanschrader]

And you don’t understand that you can’t separate the Three.

The Father is fully present in the Eucharist. The Holy Spirit is fully present in the Eucharist. The Father and the Holy Spirit are fully present in Jesus’ Body. They ARE inseparable.

Only the Second Person became incarnate.

 

[NotWorthy]

Only the Second Person became incarnate.

Which would be relevant if we received just the Body and Blood of Jesus.

But, per the Council of Trent, we receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.

Do you want to explain to me how God the Father and the Holy Spirit are not fully in the Eucharist, also?

 

[THurifer2]

THe resurrection of the dead has not happened yet so the dead are not with glorified bodies. The Eucharist is Christ Glorified…hence we are not eating dead saints. There are only there communing spiritually.

 

[THurifer2]

Only the Second Person became incarnate.

Yes and only the second person was crucified and rose from the dead and had his body glorified. Hence the host contains the Glorified body of christ body blood sould and divinity…the resurrection of the dead has not happened yet therefore glorified bodies only are two …Mary and Jeusus…until the rest of us show up…at a later time…

 

[NotWorthy]

OK, everybody, one more time.

What does the Eucharist consist of?

 

[dylanschrader]

Which would be relevant if we received just the Body and Blood of Jesus.

But, per the Council of Trent, we receive the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.

Do you want to explain to me how God the Father and the Holy Spirit are not fully in the Eucharist, also?

What I’m saying is that the three Persons are really distinct Persons.

A person is who someone is.
A nature is what something is.

The Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father.

The Father is God. The Son is God and man. The Holy Spirit is God.

The distinction between persons and natures is essential (excuse the pun) because the Second Person is present substantially in the Eucharist.

The Father and the Holy Spirit are obviously present in the Eucharist because they are present everywhere, but the Eucharist is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. If it were, the Son would be Father and the Son would be the Holy Spirit, which is not the case.

 

[Walking_Home]

OK, everybody, one more time.

What does the Eucharist consist of?

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Christ—and only our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[NotWorthy]

Yes and only the second person was crucified and rose from the dead and had his body glorified. Hence the host contains the Glorified body of christ body blood sould and divinity…the resurrection of the dead has not happened yet therefore glorified bodies only are two …Mary and Jeusus…until the rest of us show up…at a later time…

Where have I claimed that the bodies of the saints are in the Eucharist?

I’m saying that the souls of the saints in heaven, the Church Triumphant, share fully in the Body of Christ, with Christ as the Head.

If we receive Christ in His Entirety, we receive His entire Divine Body, the Body of Christ. Do not confuse this with His human Body, which is different, but we also receive in Its Entirety.

Now are the saints part of the Divine Body of Christ or is this just symbolic? I’ve never heard that this is symbolic before?

 

[NotWorthy]

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Christ—and only our Lord Jesus Christ.

How do you separate our Lord Jesus Christ from God the Father?

The Catechism # 202 reads:

We firmly believe and confess without reservation that there is only one true God, eternal, infinite (immensus) and unchangeable, incomprehensible, almighty, and ineffable, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit; three persons indeed, but one essence, substance or nature entirely simple.

 

[dylanschrader]

Where have I claimed that the bodies of the saints are in the Eucharist?

I’m saying that the souls of the saints in heaven, the Church Triumphant, share fully in the Body of Christ, with Christ as the Head.

If we receive Christ in His Entirety, we receive His entire Divine Body, the Body of Christ. Do not confuse this with His human Body, which is different, but we also receive in Its Entirety.

Now are the saints part of the Divine Body of Christ or is this just symbolic? I’ve never heard that this is symbolic before?

What do you mean by saying that Christ has a “divine Body” and a “human Body”?

 

[NotWorthy]

What do you mean by saying that Christ has a “divine Body” and a “human Body”?

Christ was fully human, and has a human Body, right?

We are all part of the divine Body of Christ. We partake in His Divinity. As the Church Militant, it is an incomplete participation. But as the Church Triumphant, it is a full participation in the Body of Christ.

Listen to the words of the priest during the Mass. They used to always say this out loud all the time, but now they do it out loud only sometimes. “By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in His Divinity, as He humbled Himself to share in our humanity.” They do pray the words nowadays, but typically it’s silently.

One theologian described it like this. “When you join the Body of Christ in Heaven, think of it like hot wax being poured into hot wax.”

 

[NotWorthy]

What I’m saying is that the three Persons are really distinct Persons.

A person is who someone is.
A nature is what something is.

The Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father.

The Father is God. The Son is God and man. The Holy Spirit is God.

The distinction between persons and natures is essential (excuse the pun) because the Second Person is present substantially in the Eucharist.

The Father and the Holy Spirit are obviously present in the Eucharist because they are present everywhere, but the Eucharist is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. If it were, the Son would be Father and the Son would be the Holy Spirit, which is not the case.

I’m sorry I missed this post originally, but I think I addressed it in post #30.

 

[dylanschrader]

Christ was fully human, and has a human Body, right?

We are all part of the divine Body of Christ. We partake in His Divinity. As the Church Militant, it is an incomplete participation. But as the Church Triumphant, it is a full participation in the Body of Christ.

Listen to the words of the priest during the Mass. They used to always say this out loud all the time, but now they do it out loud only sometimes. “By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in His Divinity, as He humbled Himself to share in our humanity.” They do pray the words nowadays, but typically it’s silently.

One theologian described it like this. “When you join the Body of Christ in Heaven, think of it like hot wax being poured into hot wax.”

I think you’re expressing the distinction between the mystical Body of Christ and the corporal, physical body that he assumed in the Incarnation.

The saints are a part of the former and not the latter.

 

[NotWorthy]

I think you’re expressing the distinction between the mystical Body of Christ and the corporal, physical body that he assumed in the Incarnation.

** The saints are a part of the former and not the latter**.

Yes, you are right.

Now, I ask you, are we receving only the corporal physical body that He assumed in the Incarnation when we receive the Eucharist?

 

[NotWorthy]

Catechism #790

“One Body”

[790](javascript:OpenPopupWindow() Believers who respond to God’s word and **become members of Christ’s Body, become intimately united with him: **"In that body the life of Christ is communicated to those who believe, and who, through the sacraments, are united in a hidden and real way to Christ in his Passion and glorification."220 This is especially true of Baptism, which unites us to Christ’s death and Resurrection, and the Eucharist, by which "really sharing in the body of the Lord, . . . we are taken up into communion with him and with one another."221

 

[dylanschrader]

What I’m trying to say is this:

Keeping in mind the distinction between “person” and “nature,” which was explained above, the Council of Trent defined that in the Eucharist, Christ himself (the Second Person) is present substantially.

Divinity is a nature.
Christ is a Person.

The Eucharist is the Person of Christ. Thus, divinity is present in the Eucharist in his Person.

The Eucharist is not the Person of the Father. Why? Christ is a distinct Person from the Father.

The point is the personal presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Since the Eucharist is a Person, namely Christ, divinity is present but it is not the Person of the Father.

 

[NotWorthy]

Catechism # 795

[795](javascript:OpenPopupWindow() Christ and his Church thus together make up the “whole Christ” (Christus totus). The Church is one with Christ. The saints are acutely aware of this unity:

**Let us rejoice then and give thanks that we have become not only Christians, but Christ himself. **Do you understand and grasp, brethren, God’s grace toward us? Marvel and rejoice: we have become Christ. For if he is the head, we are the members; he and we together are the whole man. . . . The fullness of Christ then is the head and the members. But what does “head and members” mean? Christ and the Church.230

Our redeemer has shown himself to be one person with the holy Church whom he has taken to himself.231

Head and members form as it were one and the same mystical person.232

A reply of St. Joan of Arc to her judges sums up the faith of the holy doctors and the good sense of the believer: "About Jesus Christ and the Church, I simply know they’re just one thing, and we shouldn’t complicate the matter."233

Now, I’ll restate my case. When we receive the Eucharist, we receive Christ in His Entirety. Body and Blood, Soul, and Divinity. (Christus totus)If the Saints are part of the Body of Christ, as the Catechism states, then we receive the saints when we receive the Eucharist.

 

[NotWorthy]

Divinity is a nature.
Christ is a Person.

The Eucharist is the Person of Christ. Thus, divinity is present in the Eucharist in his Person.

The Eucharist is not the Person of the Father. Why? Christ is a distinct Person from the Father.

The point is the personal presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Since the Eucharist is a Person, namely Christ, divinity is present but it is not the Person of the Father.

Please don’t tell me we are not receiving the complete Christ in the Eucharist. Christ’s Divinity is present in Christ no more and no less than Christ’s humanity. When we receive His humanity, we equally receive His Divinity.