Is the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem the abomination of desolation?

[Not_Sure_1]

I thought the abomination of desolation would be the third temple and the restarting of animal sacrifices.

 

[_L]

the abomination of desolation is the antichrist putting himself in the place of Christ and claiming to be God.

Christ rebuilds the temple that is His body, antichrist rebuilds the temple made of stone and sets himself as a counterfeit christ up to be worshiped instead of Jesus Christ who he necessarily must decry as a false prophet because the antichrist claims to be the messiah.’

In this way, the pharisees and liked minded who rejected Jesus get everything they wanted in the messiah, a powerful political leader, one who rebuilds the temple (thinking this after it was destroyed), a ruler instead of a suffering servant, problem is the messiah they get is a man of incomparable evil.

I believe this is what Jesus meant in John 5:43 when he said:

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him

leading to the long held belief in the Church that the non believing Jews at the time of the end will accept the antichrist as the messiah at first.

 

[JTrainer]

I enjoy the cooky math conspiracy theories. At least numbers aren’t opinionated. The theories behind the numbers are, but it adds a little bit of fact to the hypothesis, instead of a person saying "this is definetely how its going to happen!’ followed by another person saying, "NO this is how it’s going to happen!’ etc, etc… So if anybody has more number games I would love to hear them, no matter how crazy they are.

 

[fisherman_carl]

The ‘abomination of desolation’ that is mentioned in Mt 24:15 is recalling Dan 9:27, 11:31, and 12:11. Daniel foresees the desecration of the Jerusalem Temple by the Gentile ruler Antiochus Epiphanes IV (167 BC). Antiochus burned Jerusalem, plundered the Temple of its sacred articles, and erected an idol to the Greek god Zeus within its precincts (1 Mac 1:31, 37, 54). In Mt 24:15, Jesus draws from this episode and projects it forward to announce the Temple’s ultimate destruction in AD 70 (See also Lk 21:20).

I think the Dome of the Rock is there not as an abomination in the Temple because the Temple has been destroyed. So there is no Temple there to have an abomination in. Rather, the Dome is there to keep the Temple from ever being rebuilt since the animal sacrifices could only occur in the Temple. Jesus died once and for all. That means animal sacrifices were abolished. The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was a punishment for the Jews not recognizing their savior. And, it was the final blow to the Old Covenant system of animal sacrifices.

 

[doulos33]

Not arguing either way, but to add fuel to the fire, when Umar (Muslim Caliphate) conquered Jerusalem, the Patriach of Jerusalem saw him walking through the streets and said “Surely this is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel.” Found in Wanderings: Chaim Potok’s History of the Jews.

And not arguing either way again, but just to throw it out there, Daniel begins with saying (paraphrasing) in the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim, Nebuchadnezzar came and went into the temple and took articles. This first time in 605 b.c. was referenced a few times in the old testament as being the time foretold because of the sins of Manasseh. If 605 b.c. is the time the continual burnt offering (tamiyd in Hebrew - “continual” is better than “daily”) is removed, then 1290 days or years later is 684 A.D. Some state this is when the dome of the rock was built, or was started at least. Then 1,335 years later we get 2019. 7 year end would start in 2012.

People its all in good fun. I enjoy these things, and like to have debates, however, when I put stuff like this on here, I am not trying to prove it true. Just things open for debate. I don’t care if tomorrow the world ends or if its another 5,000 years. I’ll be doing the same things today either way

The guy who forwards the Dome of the Rock theory also comes up with a similar hypothesis concerning the 1,290 days of Daniel. He argues that the date the “sacrifices were interupted” referred to the first deportation of the Jews in 598, which is when the exile period began. This ends in the year 692 - the year the Dome of the Rock was completed. You can find it here: unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2011/09/abomination-of-desolation.html

 

[doulos33]

I enjoy the cooky math conspiracy theories. At least numbers aren’t opinionated. The theories behind the numbers are, but it adds a little bit of fact to the hypothesis, instead of a person saying "this is definetely how its going to happen!’ followed by another person saying, "NO this is how it’s going to happen!’ etc, etc… So if anybody has more number games I would love to hear them, no matter how crazy they are.

The same blog notes that www has the numerical value of six six six in Hebrew, and that the Book of Revelation is known to have used gematria concerning the number of the beast. unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2011/08/hebrew-666.html See the related post as well:
unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2011/08/mark-of-beast.html

 

[JTrainer]

I have heard the 666 being www. Seems to fit, but I have also heard good arguments for it being John 6:66. The verse numbering in the bible is man’s number. It is the only 6:66 in the entire bible. It happens to be in John, who wrote Revelation. And it refers to people who believed in Jesus walking away because He claims that you must eat His flesh and drink His blood. If that were true it would mean that the number of the beast doesn’t come only at the end, but it has been marked on people since the time of Jesus, all throughout the ages since. It would also take away the notion of it being a physical mark, and more of a spiritual mark. Moses tells the people, referring to the commandments of God, to tie them on their hands and put them on their foreheads. The mark of God then would be obedience, not a physical mark. The mark of the beast would be disobedience, in reference to the eucharist.

 

[patrick457]

I have heard the 666 being www. Seems to fit, but I have also heard good arguments for it being John 6:66. The verse numbering in the bible is man’s number. It is the only 6:66 in the entire bible. It happens to be in John, who wrote Revelation. And it refers to people who believed in Jesus walking away because He claims that you must eat His flesh and drink His blood. If that were true it would mean that the number of the beast doesn’t come only at the end, but it has been marked on people since the time of Jesus, all throughout the ages since. It would also take away the notion of it being a physical mark, and more of a spiritual mark. Moses tells the people, referring to the commandments of God, to tie them on their hands and put them on their foreheads. The mark of God then would be obedience, not a physical mark. The mark of the beast would be disobedience, in reference to the eucharist.

Two problems with the two ideas:

1.) The number of the beast is not ‘six-six-six’, but Εξακωσιοι εξηκοντα εξ hexakosioi hexekonta hex “six-hundred sixty six.” And this does not take into account that there are early manuscripts of Revelation where the number is given as Εξακωσιοι δεκα εξ hexakosioi deka hex “six hundred sixteen.”

While the number six is indeed represented by the sixth letter in the Hebrew (vav, aka waw) and Greek (digamma) alphabets, identifying WWW is 666 is based on the above premise. If we are to correctly write the numbers in the two languages using the letters of each respective alphabet, we will come up with tav (400) + resh (200) + samech (60) + vav (6) for Hebrew and chi (600) + xi (60) + digamma (6) for Greek.

2.) The main flaw with the ‘John 6:66=number of the Beast’ theory is, that chapter-and-verse divisions were only developed during the Middle Ages and afterwards in Western Europe, the latest among a number of attempts to provide convenient divisions for Biblical books. (For the record, chapter divisions were invented first in the 13th century before these were further divided into verses in the 16th century.) The sacred writers wrote books, not a collection of verses and chapters, so unless there is something going on here, it could also be well likely a rather nice coincidence.

Besides, if we’re going for John 6:66, why not also go after verses like Psalm 66:6?

 

[patrick457]

The guy who forwards the Dome of the Rock theory also comes up with a similar hypothesis concerning the 1,290 days of Daniel. He argues that the date the “sacrifices were interupted” referred to the first deportation of the Jews in 598, which is when the exile period began. This ends in the year 692 - the year the Dome of the Rock was completed. You can find it here: unveilingtheapocalypse.blogspot.com/2011/09/abomination-of-desolation.html

Ah, the Seventy Weeks. For the record, this prophecy is also where the idea that Jesus’ ministry lasted for three - or more precisely, three-and-a-half - years came from.

The Gospels are vague about the duration of Jesus’ ministry: the Synoptics mention only a single Passover. This along with a few supposed clues within the text, has led some people to suggest that the Synoptics portray only a single year of ministry (though admittedly this view has a few problems). John meanwhile writes of three Passovers and a few festivals in between, suggesting a period of (more than) two years.

Eusebius of Caesarea (who developed and made it popular) applied the prophecy of Daniel to Jesus: since half the final week is three days and a half, he then concluded that Christ’s (who should be the fulfillment of this prophecy in his mind) ministry lasted for three years and a half. The interruption of sacrifice for Eusebius occurred at the death of Jesus, when the Temple veil was torn, thus marking the end of the old Law.

 

[patrick457]

Wow. I’m getting goosebumps.

Not.

I have been to the Dome of the Rock and it is a very cool place. No reason why anyone couldn’t pray inside of it.

Well of course it’d be nice if we could, but non-Muslims are not allowed to pray inside the premises: they are however allowed limited access (which is how you probably got in). Hey, at least it’s slightly better than the 19th century, when non-Muslim access was prohibited altogether.

Just a question: did you go inside the Dome itself, or were you outdoors?

 

[Big_Dummy]

This is quite an interesting idea, and I will consider. It would be best, though, if you identified the passages in Scripture speaking of the abomination of desolation.

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Daniel 12:11
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Matthew 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

I think (yes, my opinoon, but an educated one) that it is an abomination. But, looking at the contexts of the related scriptures it is not the abomination of desolation. For one thing, it must “stand in the holy place”, referring to the holy of holies, meaning “he” must enter an existing Jewish Temple, not build in the same place of the Temple.

 

[Nate13]

Read the history of the destruction of Jerusalem and then come talk to me about the temple being desecrated

sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-5.htm
sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/war-6.htm

In my opinion this 3 and half year period before the destruction of the temple is the foremost meaning of the 1260 days. Whether there is other meaning for the future is not off the table, but the horrors that were committed in the temple during the period right before Jerusalem was destroyed and during the taking of it are unimaginable and without precedent.

Mark 13:14
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

This verse from Mark explains exactly what the Christians did right before the destruction of the temple. They fled to the mountain city of Pella a good ways before things in Jerusalem got really bad, because they knew what was coming.