That’s 1 Tim 3:15.
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october_baby
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Thanks alot, here’s the quote from my bible, the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible; “If I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the
Church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of truth.” This bible is ESV.
No, the Ignatius Study Bible is RSV. For now, the RSV, despite its age and little issues still remains the most reliable translation for me.
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october_baby
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My bad, I confused the ESV with the RSV.
Why don’t the bishops use the RSV? 
I have read several translations of the bible and like the RSV the best.
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iloveangels
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I’ve heard that the reason was copyright problems. The USCCB owns the copyright on the NAB, such as it is, and they don’t have to pay royalties.My bad, I confused the ESV with the RSV.
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october_baby
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Is there any chance for the RSV being used in the future?
The RSV is already approved for use in Africa, the Antilles and the Anglican Use Ordinariates. Lucky them. It’s not likely to ever see use in the United States, likely for the reasons already given in posts above.
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october_baby
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That is a shame, I find the RSV to be the most understandable and faithfull translation I have ever used. Granted I have average intelligence and understanding.
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QNDNNDQDCE
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The ESV says in this verse, " if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth." I guess this is the same argument the Jehova’s Witnesses use to claim that John 1:1 says, not that the “Word was God,” but that “the Word was a God.”
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october_baby
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As I said, I made a mistake, my bible is a RSV version, not a ESV.
I don’t think the poster was calling you out on the mistake, just providing the text to clarify the passage. That particular ESV rendering is more of a deal-killer for me than the little irritants of the RSV. Not so much for doctrinal reasons (that’s part of it since it is an erroneous statement) but also because I don’t feel it to be faithful to the Greek.
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bermark
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For 1 Tim 3.15, the Jerusalem Bible reads:
I wanted you to know how people ought to behave in God’s family - that is, in the Church of the living God, which upholds the truth and keeps it safe.
In the NJB it reads:
I want you to know how people behave in God’s household - that is, in the Church of the living God, pillar and support of the truth.
I can’t detect any ambiguity in either readings, but the JB is slightly clearer and more emphatic.
I can’t help feeling that all that is needed for a new lectionary is a revised Jerusalem Bible, (NOT the New Jerusalem Bible) ironing out all the irritating quirks. Why are the bishops resorting to the ESV? They may well encounter problems with copyright, etc. Compared to the JB, the ESV sounds very stilted and awkward in places and is not without its own translation problems. Gal 3.16 is a case in point - it’s no better that the JB in this verse.
I wanted you to know how people ought to behave in God’s family - that is, in the Church of the living God, which upholds the truth and keeps it safe.
In the NJB it reads:
I want you to know how people behave in God’s household - that is, in the Church of the living God, pillar and support of the truth.
I can’t detect any ambiguity in either readings, but the JB is slightly clearer and more emphatic.
I can’t help feeling that all that is needed for a new lectionary is a revised Jerusalem Bible, (NOT the New Jerusalem Bible) ironing out all the irritating quirks. Why are the bishops resorting to the ESV? They may well encounter problems with copyright, etc. Compared to the JB, the ESV sounds very stilted and awkward in places and is not without its own translation problems. Gal 3.16 is a case in point - it’s no better that the JB in this verse.
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Dakota_Roberts
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The obvious solution to changing the version is to change to the Sixto-Clementine Vulgate as it was in the beginning, is now, and will be for ever. Amen.
The JB is quite dynamic and this particular rendering, while true to the meaning of the Greek, is paraphristic. The NJB reading without the definite (“the”) or indefinite (“a”) is acceptable as there is no article in the Greek and context determines the translation. As the NJB shows, it makes more sense grammatically to omit the article or insert “the” to make the sense clearer, but to use “a” just appears artificial and biased.
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PJM
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i think we used the “new american” and now the revised new american bible for mass
i have not heard of any further changes planned.
God bless,
pat /pjm
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mccorm45
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Future changes are planned:i think we used the “new american” and now the revised new american bible for mass
i have not heard of any further changes planned.
God bless,
pat /pjm
catholicnewsagency.com/news/new-american-bible-to-be-revised-into-single-translation/
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bermark
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Thank you Porthos for this clarification. I am not a scholar of NT Greek. I simply look at sentence construction from the point of view of its linguistic integrity in English and how it would sound when read out to a congregation. The JB is renowned for its literary quality and is ideal for spiritual reading and for reading aloud. I have often been disappointed with the NJB as it seems less dynamic and less poetic in some of its renderings, but it is considered more accurate than the JB, although its use of gender-inclusive language is a drawback in my opinion. I have mixed feelings about the ESV. The text doesn’t always ‘flow’ with ease like the JB/NJB and it retains a few archaisms to keep it in the King James Bible tradition. I’m willing to forgive the translators of the JB for introducing a few quirks into the text because overall it is such a lovely presentation of God’s word.
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ajecphotos
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According to my local priest the NRSV is going to be used in the UK very soon.
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bauerice
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Interesting. I know the Canadian Missal is NRSV,
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