Is the Eucharist biblical?

[catholic1seeks]

This thread is basically a continuation from some things that were brought up in the *How can Jesus’ human nature be in more then one place at once? * thread.

Part of a post from a non-Catholic from this forum:

You’re trying to make the text conform to your fully developed, post Apostolic, doctrine of transubstantiation. That’s not how Christian doctrine is to be formed. True Christian doctrine is based on Divine revelation, not men’s imagination and then bending the Scriptures to conform.

The person says that the Catholic understanding of the Eucharist is is “post Apostolic” and unbiblical.

So what does the Bible say?

 

[1edyson]

John 6

 

[Tomster]

This thread is basically a continuation from some things that were brought up in the How can Jesus’ human nature be in more then one place at once? thread.

Part of a post from a non-Catholic from this forum:

The person says that the Catholic understanding of the Eucharist is is “post Apostolic” and unbiblical.

So what does the Bible say?/QUOTE

“So what does the Bible say?” “Take and eat, this is my body. Take and drink, this is my blood.”

Pretty easy.

 

[MarcoPolo]

The argument you quoted from the Protestant is nonsensical. What is the person’s exegesis of John 6 or the Last Supper or Paul saying:1 Cor 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

…or his analysis of the typology of the Passover lamb throughout John’s Gospel…etc…

 

[Peter_Dawson]

The words of the Bible contain hundreds of structures called “typological word pictures.” These structures were placed there by the Holy Spirit. One of the themes of these structures is the Real Presence in the Eucharist – the Catholic concept.

It is not an accident that Jesus, in Luke 2, was wrapped in swaddling clothes and laid in a manger.

What you are looking at is a picture of the actual shroud-wrapped body of Jesus (baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes) being served on a “dinner plate” (lying in a manger, a feeding trough for yoked animals).

Interestingly, all of this occurs in “the house of bread” (“Bethlehem”).

There are several of these, in Scripture, teaching the Real Presence concept.

 

[SaltySirena]

John 6:48-59

48 I am the bread of life.

49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;

50 this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.

51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."

52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.

57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.

58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."

59 These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

Luke 12:19

19 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”

Matthew 26:26-28

26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

27 Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,

28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:22-24

22 While they were eating, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is my body.”

23 Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it.

24 He said to them, "This is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed 8 for many.

Seems pretty Biblical to me. There are many cases where Jesus speaks metaphorically or in similies. So we know He knows how to do that. The many “the Kingdom is like…” references come to mind. He doesn’t do that here. He says, “this IS my body,” and, “this IS my blood.” The Real Presence is completely Biblical.

 

[catholic1seeks]

What you are looking at is a picture of the actual shroud-wrapped body of Jesus (baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes) being served on a “dinner plate” (lying in a manger, a feeding trough for yoked animals).

Interestingly, all of this occurs in “the house of bread” (“Bethlehem”).

That’s really cool :aok:

 

[catholic1seeks]

I’m thinking about getting the book The Biblical Basis for the Eucharist… Does anyone know anything about John Salza’s books? Are they and good?

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[StrawberryJam]

This thread is basically a continuation from some things that were brought up in the How can Jesus’ human nature be in more then one place at once? thread.

Part of a post from a non-Catholic from this forum:

The person says that the Catholic understanding of the Eucharist is is “post Apostolic” and unbiblical.

So what does the Bible say?

Too narrow a way to see this topic. How about wondering what the bible says about the ability for the apostles to teach the gospel, and for bishops to lead.
The church fathers are not irrelevant.

 

[Church_Militant]

This thread is basically a continuation from some things that were brought up in the How can Jesus’ human nature be in more then one place at once?

thread.

Part of a post from a non-Catholic from this forum:

The person says that the Catholic understanding of the Eucharist is is “post Apostolic” and unbiblical.

So what does the Bible say?

The allegation is unfounded. I researched this myself and wrote the following Bible study article that is on my blog. The Eucharist IS Scriptural

How can it be post apostolic when it’s right there in the New Testament in the Gospel of John and further explained in 1st Corinthians 11:23-30 by St. Paul (himself an apostle).

It’s weird for your opponent to make this assertion when St. Ignatius of Antioch, who was a close friend and disciple if St. John (the apostolic author of John 6) is the earliest post apostolic source of that even more explains this doctrine.

IMO, that opposing argument is one of the weakest I have ever heard of. I very seriously doubt they can provide any support for it that doesn’t come from a modern source, which is about as “post-apostolic” as one can get.

 

[Mark77]

Asking if the Eucharist is Scriptural is like asking if love is real???

" The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life." “The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch.” (CCC 1324.)

**The Holy Eucharist is Jesus Christ, our Savior, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity!!!/B

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark**

 

[StrawberryJam]

Asking if the Eucharist is Scriptural is like asking if love is real???

" The Eucharist is "the source and summit of the Christian life." “The other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented toward it. For in the blessed Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good of the Church, namely Christ himself, our Pasch.” (CCC 1324.)

The Holy Eucharist is Jesus Christ, our Savior, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity!!!

Mark,

I love your name by the way! Most reliable testimony of the narrative from what I can deduce so far.

Anyway, just saying it “is so” is hardly convincing. Take it from me, a person who goes to Catholic Mass about 4 to 5 times a week for weeks on end, recently…

It’s not compelling enough to just say it “is so”

I like the evidence that no one points to in these debates. I seem to be drawn by other things.

I think what *works against the catholic faith *are all these other things, that are not demanded of catholics to believe (thankfully)

 

[grannymh]

That’s really cool :aok:

FYI

It is the living God, Jesus Christ, Who is present in the Catholic Eucharist. The post you are referring to has an unfortunate reference to Our Lord and Savior which is neither respectful nor a Catholic teaching.

 

[Omyo12]

FYI

It is the living God, Jesus Christ, Who is present in the Catholic Eucharist. The post you are referring to has an unfortunate reference to Our Lord and Savior which is neither respectful nor a Catholic teaching.

How is this disrespectful?

When Christ was born he was placed on a manger.

Basically, the Earth received him on a manger.

man·ger
* Pronunciation: \ˈmān-jər
* Function: noun
* Etymology: Middle English mangeour, manger, from Anglo-French mangure, from manger to eat, from Latin manducare to chew, devour, from manducus glutton, from mandere to chew — more at mandible
* Date: 14th century

: a trough or open box in a stable designed to hold feed or fodder for livestock

This could be taken as typology referring to the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and how we all receive Christ every week.

Lets not forget Gentiles were referred to as livestock (swine to be precise) many times.

 

[grannymh]

How is this disrespectful?

When Christ was born he was placed on a manger.

Basically, the Earth received him on a manger.

Quote:
man·ger

• Pronunciation: \ˈmān-jər\
• Function: noun
• Etymology: Middle English mangeour, manger, from Anglo-French mangure, from manger to eat, from Latin manducare to chew, devour, from manducus glutton, from mandere to chew — more at mandible
• Date: 14th century

: a trough or open box in a stable designed to hold feed or fodder for livestock

This could be taken as typology referring to the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and how we all receive Christ every week.

Lets not forget Gentiles were referred to as livestock (swine to be precise) many times.

Luke 2 uses swaddling which is a cloth used to wrap a living baby. The poster used shroud which is a cloth used to wrap a dead body. If you were looking (as the post suggested) “at a picture of the actual shroud-wrapped body of Jesus”, would you be looking at the Last Supper?

Wrapped for burial is not typology for the Living God giving Himself to us in Holy Communion. Being born once in a stable is not typology for Transubstantiation which occurs in every Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The post is allegedly giving a “theme” of the Real Presence.The disrespectful reference is the poster’s image (shroud-wrapped) of a dead body being served on a ”dinner plate".