is the Eucharist God Almighty?

[Ismail_Islam]

from my understanding when I was Roman Catholic is that during mass the host turns into the body and blood of Jesus. Now if Jesus is divine according to Pauline Christianity ( I say Pauline because not ALL early Christians worshiped Jesus) that has to mean that the sliced bread is God Almighty. Is it obligatory for Catholics to acknowledge the host as their Creator?

To make the question more simple. When you go to holy adoration, do you go before your Creator who in reality is the Unseen but in this case manifested Himself into bread? To be honest with you I did worship the eucharist ( or at least tried to) and I did acknowledge it as my Creator and the Creator of the whole world. What I did, was that the right thing to do as a Roman Catholic?

 

[JHow]

“Sliced”? Hmmmm. I’ll just lurk on this one.

 

[Ismail_Islam]

“Sliced”? Hmmmm. I’ll just lurk on this one.

I was just trying my best to describe how the eucharist looks like. It was not my intention to attack anyones belief.

 

[FaithJoy]

from my understanding when I was Roman Catholic is that during mass the host turns into the body and blood of Jesus. Now if Jesus is divine according to Pauline Christianity ( I say Pauline because not ALL early Christians worshiped Jesus) that has to mean that the sliced bread is God Almighty. Is it obligatory for Catholics to acknowledge the host as their Creator?

To make the question more simple. When you go to holy adoration, do you go before your Creator who in reality is the Unseen but in this case manifested Himself into bread? To be honest with you I did worship the eucharist ( or at least tried to) and I did acknowledge it as my Creator and the Creator of the whole world. What I did, was that the right thing to do as a Roman Catholic?

I don’t mean to criticize, but I can see why you explored another faith. Not being able to answer that question, the Eucharist is the center understanding of Catholicism. I wish you have had studied more of your Catholic faith before you “switched”.

 

[Ismail_Islam]

I don’t mean to criticize, but I can see why you explored another faith. Not being able to answer that question, the Eucharist is the center understanding of Catholicism. I wish you have had studied more of your Catholic faith before you “switched”.

My conversion is irrelevant to this topic. I just would like to know the answer.

 

[ignatius777]

from my understanding when I was Roman Catholic is that during mass the host turns into the body and blood of Jesus. Now if Jesus is divine according to Pauline Christianity ( I say Pauline because not ALL early Christians worshiped Jesus) that has to mean that the sliced bread is God Almighty. Is it obligatory for Catholics to acknowledge the host as their Creator?

To make the question more simple. When you go to holy adoration, do you go before your Creator who in reality is the Unseen but in this case manifested Himself into bread? To be honest with you I did worship the eucharist ( or at least tried to) and I did acknowledge it as my Creator and the Creator of the whole world. What I did, was that the right thing to do as a Roman Catholic?

I have a couple of comments. If not ALL early christians worshipped Jesus whom did they worship.

Also Pope John Paull II referred to the Eucharist as the source and summit of our faith. Nothing could be more true

 

[runningdude]

from my understanding when I was Roman Catholic is that during mass the host turns into the body and blood of Jesus. Now if Jesus is divine according to Pauline Christianity ( I say Pauline because not ALL early Christians worshiped Jesus) that has to mean that the sliced bread is God Almighty. Is it obligatory for Catholics to acknowledge the host as their Creator?

To make the question more simple. When you go to holy adoration, do you go before your Creator who in reality is the Unseen but in this case manifested Himself into bread? To be honest with you I did worship the eucharist ( or at least tried to) and I did acknowledge it as my Creator and the Creator of the whole world. What I did, was that the right thing to do as a Roman Catholic?

Yup. Your understanding is correct. The Host is indeed God!

During a retreat I took in preparation for Confirmation, I had a moment where I realized this truth. I was working as an alter server during a benediction and adoration, and realized that Christ was sitting there on the alter in the monstrance. It was kind of awkward, me a sinner and all kneeling there in the bodily precess of Jesus. Actually it was kind of scary at first, and I was shaken for the rest of the night.

The thing about the Catholic mass is that, if the Eucharist weren’t in fact God, then we would be worshiping a piece of bread. There is no way around it. The priest whispers prayers to the Host. After the consecration, the whole church kneels before the Host.

To a none Catholic, it must look totally bizarre that we are worshiping a piece of bread, and they are perfectly justified in their assessment. If the Eucharistic Host in the Catholic mass were not the bodily incarnation our Lord and Savior, then we Catholics would be guilty of idolatry .

We Catholics however believe the bread to be totally transformed into the Body of Christ. Christ looks like bread, tastes like bread, and God-be-darned, is chemically identical to bread. Once the priest consecrates the bread, the its no longer bread, but Christ!

So yes indeed, it is critical and required that we acknowledge the Host as both our creator and savior! The Catholic mass would be quite sinful if the host weren’t

 

[KathleenGee]

Do you really seek to know the truth???

 

[Rolltide]

That belief is part of the very basis of Eucharistic Adoration, where we can go and kneel down and pray before God in the flesh. Were this a mere symbol, this would be idolatry, but as the actual Body and Blood of Jesus Himself, this is simply reverence to God.

 

[buffalo]

From the Catechism;

"Take this and eat it, all of you": communion
1384 The Lord addresses an invitation to us, urging us to receive him in the sacrament of the Eucharist: "Truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you."217
1385 To respond to this invitation we must prepare ourselves for so great and so holy a moment. St. Paul urges us to examine our conscience: "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself."218 Anyone conscious of a grave sin must receive the sacrament of Reconciliation before coming to communion.
1386 Before so great a sacrament, the faithful can only echo humbly and with ardent faith the words of the Centurion: “Domine, non sum dignus ut intres sub tectum meum, sed tantum dic verbo, et sanabitur anima mea” (“Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul will be healed.”).219 And in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom the faithful pray in the same spirit:

O Son of God, bring me into communion today with your mystical supper. I shall not tell your enemies the secret, nor kiss you with Judas’ kiss. But like the good thief I cry, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 1387 To prepare for worthy reception of this sacrament, the faithful should observe the fast required in their Church.220 Bodily demeanor (gestures, clothing) ought to convey the respect, solemnity, and joy of this moment when Christ becomes our guest.
1388 It is in keeping with the very meaning of the Eucharist that the faithful, if they have the required dispositions,221 receive communion when they participate in the Mass.222 As the Second Vatican Council says: "That more perfect form of participation in the Mass whereby the faithful, after the priest’s communion, receive the Lord’s Body from the same sacrifice, is warmly recommended."223
1389 The Church obliges the faithful to take part in the Divine Liturgy on Sundays and feast days and, prepared by the sacrament of Reconciliation, to receive the Eucharist at least once a year, if possible during the Easter season.224 But the Church strongly encourages the faithful to receive the holy Eucharist on Sundays and feast days, or more often still, even daily.
1390 Since Christ is sacramentally present under each of the species, communion under the species of bread alone makes it possible to receive all the fruit of Eucharistic grace. For pastoral reasons this manner of receiving communion has been legitimately established as the most common form in the Latin rite. But "the sign of communion is more complete when given under both kinds, since in that form the sign of the Eucharistic meal appears more clearly."225 This is the usual form of receiving communion in the Eastern rites.

 

[buffalo]

The fruits of Holy Communion
1391 Holy Communion augments our union with Christ. The principal fruit of receiving the Eucharist in Holy Communion is an intimate union with Christ Jesus. Indeed, the Lord said: "He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him."226 Life in Christ has its foundation in the Eucharistic banquet: "As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me."227

On the feasts of the Lord, when the faithful receive the Body of the Son, they proclaim to one another the Good News that the first fruits of life have been given, as when the angel said to Mary Magdalene, “Christ is risen!” Now too are life and resurrection conferred on whoever receives Christ.228 1392 What material food produces in our bodily life, Holy Communion wonderfully achieves in our spiritual life. Communion with the flesh of the risen Christ, a flesh "given life and giving life through the Holy Spirit,"229 preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace received at Baptism. This growth in Christian life needs the nourishment of Eucharistic Communion, the bread for our pilgrimage until the moment of death, when it will be given to us as viaticum.
1393 Holy Communion separates us from sin. The body of Christ we receive in Holy Communion is “given up for us,” and the blood we drink “shed for the many for the forgiveness of sins.” For this reason the Eucharist cannot unite us to Christ without at the same time cleansing us from past sins and preserving us from future sins:

For as often as we eat this bread and drink the cup, we proclaim the death of the Lord. If we proclaim the Lord’s death, we proclaim the forgiveness of sins. If, as often as his blood is poured out, it is poured for the forgiveness of sins, I should always receive it, so that it may always forgive my sins. Because I always sin, I should always have a remedy.230 1394 As bodily nourishment restores lost strength, so the Eucharist strengthens our charity, which tends to be weakened in daily life; and this living charity wipes away venial sins.231 By giving himself to us Christ revives our love and enables us to break our disordered attachments to creatures and root ourselves in him:

Since Christ died for us out of love, when we celebrate the memorial of his death at the moment of sacrifice we ask that love may be granted to us by the coming of the Holy Spirit. We humbly pray that in the strength of this love by which Christ willed to die for us, we, by receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, may be able to consider the world as crucified for us, and to be ourselves as crucified to the world. . . . Having received the gift of love, let us die to sin and live for God.232 1395 By the same charity that it enkindles in us, the Eucharist preserves us from future mortal sins. The more we share the life of Christ and progress in his friendship, the more difficult it is to break away from him by mortal sin. The Eucharist is not ordered to the forgiveness of mortal sins - that is proper to the sacrament of Reconciliation. The Eucharist is properly the sacrament of those who are in full communion with the Church.
1396 The unity of the Mystical Body: the Eucharist makes the Church. Those who receive the Eucharist are united more closely to Christ. Through it Christ unites them to all the faithful in one body - the Church. Communion renews, strengthens, and deepens this incorporation into the Church, already achieved by Baptism. In Baptism we have been called to form but one body.233 The Eucharist fulfills this call: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread:"234

If you are the body and members of Christ, then it is your sacrament that is placed on the table of the Lord; it is your sacrament that you receive. To that which you are you respond “Amen” (“yes, it is true!”) and by responding to it you assent to it. For you hear the words, “the Body of Christ” and respond “Amen.” Be then a member of the Body of Christ that your *Amen *may be true.235 1397 The Eucharist commits us to the poor. To receive in truth the Body and Blood of Christ given up for us, we must recognize Christ in the poorest, his brethren:

You have tasted the Blood of the Lord, yet you do not recognize your brother,. . . . You dishonor this table when you do not judge worthy of sharing your food someone judged worthy to take part in this meal. . . . God freed you from all your sins and invited you here, but you have not become more merciful.236 1398 The Eucharist and the unity of Christians. Before the greatness of this mystery St. Augustine exclaims, *“O sacrament of devotion! O sign of unity! O bond of charity!”*237 The more painful the experience of the divisions in the Church which break the common participation in the table of the Lord, the more urgent are our prayers to the Lord that the time of complete unity among all who believe in him may return.

 

[buffalo]

1399 The Eastern churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church celebrate the Eucharist with great love. “These Churches, although separated from us, yet possess true sacraments, above all - by apostolic succession - the priesthood and the Eucharist, whereby they are still joined to us in closest intimacy.” A certain communion in sacris, and so in the Eucharist, "given suitable circumstances and the approval of Church authority, is not merely possible but is encouraged."238
1400 Ecclesial communities derived from the Reformation and separated from the Catholic Church, "have not preserved the proper reality of the Eucharistic mystery in its fullness, especially because of the absence of the sacrament of Holy Orders."239 It is for this reason that, for the Catholic Church, Eucharistic intercommunion with these communities is not possible. However these ecclesial communities, "when they commemorate the Lord’s death and resurrection in the Holy Supper . . . profess that it signifies life in communion with Christ and await his coming in glory."240
1401 When, in the Ordinary’s judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions.241
VII. THE EUCHARIST - "PLEDGE OF THE GLORY TO COME"
1402 In an ancient prayer the Church acclaims the mystery of the Eucharist: “O sacred banquet in which Christ is received as food, the memory of his Passion is renewed, the soul is filled with grace and a pledge of the life to come is given to us.” If the Eucharist is the memorial of the Passover of the Lord Jesus, if by our communion at the altar we are filled "with every heavenly blessing and grace,"242 then the Eucharist is also an anticipation of the heavenly glory.
1403 At the Last Supper the Lord himself directed his disciples’ attention toward the fulfillment of the Passover in the kingdom of God: "I tell you I shall not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom."243 Whenever the Church celebrates the Eucharist she remembers this promise and turns her gaze “to him who is to come.” In her prayer she calls for his coming: “Marana tha!” "Come, Lord Jesus!"244 "May your grace come and this world pass away!"245
1404 The Church knows that the Lord comes even now in his Eucharist and that he is there in our midst. However, his presence is veiled. Therefore we celebrate the Eucharist "awaiting the blessed hope and the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ,"246 asking "to share in your glory when every tear will be wiped away. On that day we shall see you, our God, as you are. We shall become like you and praise you for ever through Christ our Lord."247
1405 There is no surer pledge or dearer sign of this great hope in the new heavens and new earth "in which righteousness dwells,"248 than the Eucharist. Every time this mystery is celebrated, “the work of our redemption is carried on” and we "break the one bread that provides the medicine of immortality, the antidote for death, and the food that makes us live for ever in Jesus Christ."249

 

[Ismail_Islam]

so with that said, God (Jesus) was raised up to heaven to sit next to God and then God comes back again as a spirit, and then also comes back and manifests Himself in a piece of bread? So now not only do Catholics believe that God has male characteristics and attributes and male parts, but in the same time He becomes something for the human body to consume and…?

But let us consider this. If all Prophets worshipped the Unseen because they all believe God is nothing like what He created then Muslims and other God seekers are doing absalutley nothing wrong. Because Jesus Christ Himself didnt stand behind a glass and invite others to kneel before him and worship him. Only Catholics do this.

And if the Catholic church indeed is the wrong faith then you have no excuse. and if Islam and any other religion that seeks to submit to God also can not be seen as a crime towards to God. But the biggest crime somebody can commit is idoltary or associate partners with God Almighty who created the heavens and the earths.

 

[Edward_H]

At Mass, the priest offers his hands, mind, body to Jesus. It is Jesus who then humbles Himself and becomes fully present in the host for us. His sacrifice is eternally present to the Father. All moments are “present” to the Father, who is not limited in time like we are. This is how Jesus’s salvific action saves us. It wasn’t a fixed limited act in time. The Sacrifice of our Lord continues to save us, now and in the future.

At Mass - we join the Divine Liturgy which is going on all the time in heaven and on earth, since the Church is spread around the globe. There is one Sacrifice and Mass.

 

[buffalo]

so with that said, God (Jesus) was raised up to heaven to sit next to God and then God comes back again as a spirit, and then also comes back and manifests Himself in a piece of bread? So now not only do Catholics believe that God has male characteristics and attributes and male parts, but in the same time He becomes something for the human body to consume and…?

But let us consider this. If all Prophets worshipped the Unseen because they all believe God is nothing like what He created then Muslims and other God seekers are doing absalutley nothing wrong. Because Jesus Christ Himself didnt stand behind a glass and invite others to kneel before him and worship him. Only Catholics do this.

And if the Catholic church indeed is the wrong faith then you have no excuse. and if Islam and any other religion that seeks to submit to God also can not be seen as a crime towards to God. But the biggest crime somebody can commit is idoltary or associate partners with God Almighty who created the heavens and the earths.

After Jesus told them about His Body and Blood most left Him for they could not accept this concept. He also asked the remaining it they too wanted to leave.

The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

What you speak here is blasphemy, god never manifests himself in a piece of bread. You got protestants and non catholics confused with Catholics who believe in the True presence of Jesus body, blood soul and divinity in His blessed sacrament. The reality to this is that there is no piece of bread. Your piece of bread exists with those who believe Jesus is only symbolically present or co-habits (consubstantiation) with the bread as you incorrectly address the Eucharist.

Once you get past this “piece of bread” stage that does not exist in the Catholic Eucharist from the eternal reality set forth by God himself being present in the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. You have no argument from the Catholic Church because that is not Catholic belief, if you THINK that "god manifests himself in a piece of bread"comes from Ismail Islam, never a Catholic faith.

If your going to speak derogatory subliminal messages in regards to male body parts. will get you removed from posting here. That said your interpretation reveals, you probably never were catechised in the Catholic church? and have a carnal knowledge of spiritual realities? or you have a misconstrued understanding the Catholic faith.

Your arguments have not revealed a Catholic teaching yet, thus far, you have only made opinions of things you do not understand and are confusing Catholic teaching with something foreign from you.

=Ismail_Islam;7257564]so with that said, God (Jesus) was raised up to heaven to sit next to God and then God comes back again as a spirit, and then also comes back and manifests Himself in a piece of bread? So now not only do Catholics believe that God has male characteristics and attributes and male parts, but in the same time He becomes something for the human body to consume and…?

All religions of the world worship as you do, except the Catholic Church Jesus built. All religions base their worship on the “Logos” or claim to a revealed word from God. The Hebrews also worshipped the Logos in the letter of the law from Moses. The Hebrews took it a step further and worshiped in a temple offering a sacrifice which got destroyed. Islam also does the Logos worship in the spirit, from fasting, and pilgrimage as decreed by the Koran, but something is missing or lacking in all the religions of the world? the revelation from God True presence.

It is in the Catholic Church “Where the true worshipers will worship God in spirit and Truth and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship Him” (John 4:23)

John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and Truth.

It is here where Catholics worship God in spirit and in Truth, because it is through God’s Spirit that the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus is revealed so that we may come to the Father, because “NO ONE” goes to the Father except through the Son (John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth 5 and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Thus it is through Jesus Christ in his Eucharist when God is all and in all, when Catholics worship God in His Spirit and in Truth =Jesus Christ.

You see, this revelation from God was revealed long before Islam came along. Islam is still a baby compared to the Catholic faith.

Islam and other religions of the world do not believe or have a True presence of God in your worship, you and the world only hold on to your Logos = word in the spirit from your man prophet who claims to have heard from heaven, but you have no access to God or to worship God in his presence, whereby Catholics have both, the logos and the Spirit and the Logos made flesh revealing God’s incarnation which is Truth.

Catholics do not worship Jesus behind a glass. Please read this scripture which applies to your carnal knowledge of the spiritual realities revealed by God;

1 Corinthians 2: 12
We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may understand the things freely given us by God.
13
**And we speak about them not with words taught by human wisdom, but with words taught by the Spirit, describing spiritual realities in spiritual terms. 7 **
14
**Now the natural person 8 does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is judged spiritually. **
15
**The spiritual person, however, can judge everything but is not subject to judgment 9 by anyone.
16
For “who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to counsel him?” But we have the mind of Christ. **

We lift up Jesus in the Eucharist and it is here when scripture is revealed in reality;

John 8:28
So Jesus said (to them), **“When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I AM, **and that I do nothing on my own, but I say only what the Father taught me.
29
The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what is pleasing to him.”
30
Because he spoke this way, many came to believe in him.

But let us consider this. If all Prophets worshipped the Unseen because they all believe God is nothing like what He created then Muslims and other God seekers are doing absalutley nothing wrong. Because Jesus Christ Himself didnt stand behind a glass and invite others to kneel before him and worship him. Only Catholics do this.And if the Catholic church indeed is the wrong faith then you have no excuse. and if Islam and any other religion that seeks to submit to God also can not be seen as a crime towards to God. But the biggest crime somebody can commit is idoltary or associate partners with God Almighty who created the heavens and the earths.

 

[Ismail_Islam]

What you speak here is blasphemy, god never manifests himself in a piece of bread. You got protestants and non catholics confused with Catholics who believe in the True presence of Jesus body, blood soul and divinity in His blessed sacrament. The reality to this is that there is no piece of bread. Your piece of bread exists with those who believe Jesus is only symbolically present or co-habits (consubstantiation) with the bread as you incorrectly address the Eucharist.

Once you get past this “piece of bread” stage that does not exist in the Catholic Eucharist from the eternal reality set forth by God himself being present in the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus Christ. You have no argument from the Catholic Church because that is not Catholic belief, if you THINK that "god manifests himself in a piece of bread"comes from Ismail Islam, never a Catholic faith.

If your going to speak derogatory subliminal messages in regards to male body parts. will get you removed from posting here. That said your interpretation reveals, you probably never were catechised in the Catholic church? and have a carnal knowledge of spiritual realities? or you have a misconstrued understanding the Catholic faith.

Your arguments have not revealed a Catholic teaching yet, thus far, you have only made opinions of things you do not understand and are confusing Catholic teaching with something foreign from you.

All religions of the world worship as you do, except the Catholic Church Jesus built. All religions base their worship on the “Logos” or claim to a revealed word from God. The Hebrews also worshipped the Logos in the letter of the law from Moses. The Hebrews took it a step further and worshiped in a temple offering a sacrifice which got destroyed. Islam also does the Logos worship in the spirit, from fasting, and pilgrimage as decreed by the Koran, but something is missing or lacking in all the religions of the world? the revelation from God True presence.

It is in the Catholic Church “Where the true worshipers will worship God in spirit and Truth and indeed the Father seeks such people to worship Him” (John 4:23)

John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and Truth.

It is here where Catholics worship God in spirit and in Truth, because it is through God’s Spirit that the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus is revealed so that we may come to the Father, because “NO ONE” goes to the Father except through the Son (John 14:6
Jesus said to him, "I am the way and the truth 5 and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Thus it is through Jesus Christ in his Eucharist when God is all and in all, when Catholics worship God in His Spirit and in Truth =Jesus Christ.

You see, this revelation from God was revealed long before Islam came along. Islam is still a baby compared to the Catholic faith.

Islam and other religions of the world do not believe or have a True presence of God in your worship, you and the world only hold on to your Logos = word in the spirit from your man prophet who claims to have heard from heaven, but you have no access to God or to worship God in his presence, whereby Catholics have both, the logos and the Spirit and the Logos made flesh revealing God’s incarnation which is Truth.

Catholics do not worship Jesus behind a glass. Please read this scripture which applies to your carnal knowledge of the spiritual realities revealed by God;

1 Corinthians 2: 12
We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit that is from God, so that we may understand the things freely given us by God.
13
**And we speak about them not with words taught by human wisdom, but with words taught by the Spirit, describing spiritual realities in spiritual terms. 7 **
14
**Now the natural person 8 does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is judged spiritually. **
15
**The spiritual person, however, can judge everything but is not subject to judgment 9 by anyone.
16
For “who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to counsel him?” But we have the mind of Christ. **

We lift up Jesus in the Eucharist and it is here when scripture is revealed in reality;

John 8:28
So Jesus said (to them), **“When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will realize that I AM, **and that I do nothing on my own, but I say only what the Father taught me.
29
The one who sent me is with me. He has not left me alone, because I always do what is pleasing to him.”
30
Because he spoke this way, many came to believe in him.

I was not subliminally degrading nobodies faith! I am just speaking the truth. If Jesus Christ is God then God is man. That must mean that God must be made of what man is made of. And what is man made of? I dont think I have to answer that.

I know exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. But when I used to attend holy hour, I see bread locked inside a glass. My simple question was: the bread that is inside that glass, is that actually God Almighty who created the heavens and earth. If so, then I agree with you. This is blasphemy, and if the Church is wrong you have no excuse in the hereafter. Anybody who is sane and decides to worship the God of the worlds and eaccepts his Prophets and does good deeds should be entered into paradise because that is only logical way to enter heaven.

May Allah guide you and me.

 

[Ismail_Islam]

I have another good question. How many times does Jesus even mention the doctrine of Eucharist throughout the 4 gospel. Does He even give instructions how mass should be celebrated? Or did Jesus simply bow his down in humility and worshipped God because The Massiah knows that Allah is greater then he is?

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus is fully human and fully divine. Jesus is God incarnate, begotten of God not made; Another view to this revelation deals with the hypostatic union, which conflicts with Ismail Islam exact knowledge of what the Catholic Church teaches.

Below is Ismail Islam definition of Jesus who “Knows exactly what the Catholic Church teaches”?

=Ismail_Islam;7257794]I was not subliminally degrading nobodies faith! I am just speaking the truth. If Jesus Christ is God then God is man. That must mean that God must be made of what man is made of. And what is man made of? I dont think I have to answer that.

I know exactly what the Catholic Church teaches.

That’s the conflict from your own catholic interpretation “You Ismail” saw bread locked inside a glass. A Catholic does not see bread locked inside a glass as you do. How do you reconcile this difference between your interpretation and a Catholic faith?

The prophets spoke well of your coming; “you look but cannot see, you hear but do not listen to the Word of God”, who has revealed these mysteries to His Children who call him “Abba”.

May the Holy Spirit protect us and keep us in Truth.

But when I used to attend holy hour, I see bread locked inside a glass. My simple question was: the bread that is inside that glass, is that actually God Almighty who created the heavens and earth. If so, then I agree with you. This is blasphemy, and if the Church is wrong you have no excuse in the hereafter. Anybody who is sane and decides to worship the God of the worlds and eaccepts his Prophets and does good deeds should be entered into paradise because that is only logical way to enter heaven.

May Allah guide you and me.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

5 times, 2 times in Lukes Gospel in addition to the New Testament epistles which also teaches on the doctrine of the Eucharist at the minimum.

=Ismail_Islam;7257803]I have another good question. How many times does Jesus even mention the doctrine of Eucharist throughout the 4 gospel.

Luke 22:17
Then he took a cup, 6 gave thanks, and said, “Take this and share it among yourselves;
18
for I tell you (that) from this time on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
19
7 Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.”
20
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

Matthew 26:26
14 15 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
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Then he took a cup, gave thanks, 16 and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you,
28
for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.
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17 I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father.”
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18 Then, after singing a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Mark 14:22
7 While they were eating, he took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is my body.”
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Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, and they all drank from it.
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He said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed 8 for many.
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Amen, I say to you, I shall not drink again the fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”

John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draw him, and I will raise him on the last day.
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It is written in the prophets: ‘They shall all be taught by God.’ Everyone who listens to my Father and learns from him comes to me.
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**Not that anyone has seen the Father except the one who is from God; he has seen the Father. **
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Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
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I am the bread of life.
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this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
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I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world."
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The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
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Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
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Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
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For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
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Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
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Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
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This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
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These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
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20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
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Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
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What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 21
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It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh 22 is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
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But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
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And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
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As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
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Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
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Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
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**We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.” **

cont;