Is the Eucharist the Crucified Jesus?

[teachccd]

Re-presented means ‘to make present.’ While the Eucharist does not take us back in time, it does make Christ’s one sacrifice present to us. After all, time, like location, is an accident. Jesus has but one body, and it is that one body, and that one Sacrifice, which is made present to us. The Sacrifice, which in history is seen as temporal and local, is in fact eternal and and universal by means of the Eucharist.

Not to take issue here but when an event is presented that took place in time then when it is re=presented it does take us to that time since His sacrifice was accomplished only once. So if the 2000 year old event is presented to us then it is as if we were there. One can say that either the cross comes to us or that we go to the cross but either way we are in that very event. Mystery comes to mind here.

 

[Christ_is_Risen]

Then St. Paul was in error when he “proclaims Christ crucified” in 1 Corinthians 1:23. Of course we receive the risen Lord! But we receive Christ and that includes Him in His entirety, eternal- incarnation- life- death- and resurrection. If we only know Christ in His resurrection then we must discard all the crucifixes in the world. “And the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world”. When did He give us His flesh to eat?

No, St. Paul was not in error. Here is the context, he is not discussing the Eucharist but instead the Gospel given to him by Our Lord.

1 Corinthians

*18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[c]

20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21** For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22 Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles,** 24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength*.

It was Christ’s death on the cross that atoned for our sins. His resurrection is the proof of the claim that God assuming the flesh and living without sin defeated death and gives new life to all those who believe. We consume this proof every Sunday during Mass.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

when an event is presented

The event is re-presented to God, not to us. He’s outside of time, we’re not. In the Mass, the immolation of the Victim is mystical, consisting in Christ’s *willingness *to die for us, and the separate consecration of bread and wine signifying the separation of body and blood. The event of Calvary is, however, commemorated and signified, and it is from that event that the Mass draws its efficacy. Really it is one sacrifice, with many offerings.

In the end, though, you’re right, it’s a mystery.

 

[jmcrae]

That is really cool! I knew that when we receive the Eucharist we receive the entire Christ but I didn’t know it included His conception, birth, life, passion, death, rising, and ascension!

Don’t we have the most awesome God in Jesus Christ? :extrahappy:

 

[Paul_theApostle]

If the Eucharist is the risen Christ ,why sometimes through miracles does the Host bleed or show blood ,even at Orthodoxy iv heard some priests have doubted the real presence and God allowed them to see real flesh and blood in the chalice so they would believe.

Being actual flesh and red blood ,does this mean its Jesus’ earthly body in the chalice or still His Glorified body?

 

[jmcrae]

If the Eucharist is the risen Christ ,why sometimes through miracles does the Host bleed or show blood ,even at Orthodoxy iv heard some priests have doubted the real presence and God allowed them to see real flesh and blood in the chalice so they would believe.

Being actual flesh and red blood ,does this mean its Jesus’ earthly body in the chalice or still His Glorified body?

These miracles are times when Christ our Teacher is showing those who doubt that it is really Him. But we already know that He is risen and glorified, so what we receive is Him, risen and glorified.

His glorified body is just as much his own body as a teenager’s body is still the same body he had as a baby - it is completely different, and yet, entirely the same.

 

[Paul_theApostle]

^ Ok ,I see that Jesus also ate Fish with his Glorified body also…

maybe I was curious as to whether his Glorified body could actually bleed blood or have flesh and organs beneath his skin…

I though his Glorified body would be like a fleshless Angel or Spirit…

 

[jmcrae]

^ Ok ,I see that Jesus also ate Fish with his Glorified body also…

maybe I was curious as to whether his Glorified body could actually bleed blood or have flesh and organs beneath his skin. [/qutoe]

Yes, it would - and any diseases the organs had would be cured, and they would be perfect, right down to the smallest molecule.

I though his Glorified body would be like a fleshless Angel or Spirit.