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fakename
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Or is it a more or less useful theological conclusion? Is it even a matter of morals or faith?
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Trishie
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I’ll see if I can find a specific answer to your specific question, but as you’ll know, the Catechism has the Pope’s imprimateur
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: free will
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a3.htm
And question…you accept the bible as authority regarding the question?
14 The Lord created us humans,
and from the very beginning,
he gave us the ability
to choose how we will live. Sirach 15"14
The Lord God then asked the woman, “What have you done?”
“The snake tricked me,” she answered. “And I ate some of that fruit.” Genesis 3:13
Clearly our ‘first ancestors’ had freedom to choose good or evil.
They chose to do what God told them to avoid, though God had given them all others freedoms.
Solomon committed “evil in the eyes of the Lord” as “his heart had turned away from the Lord…” (1 Kings 11:6, 9). King Rehoboam “did evil because he had not set his heart on seeking the Lord” (2 Chron. 12:14). Zedekiah “did evil in the eyes of the Lord” and “did not humble himself before Jeremiah the prophet” because he became “stiff-necked and hardened his heart and would not turn to the Lord…” (2 Chron. 36:12–13).
These are biblical choices for good/evil, proofs of free choice.
And if the bible is not the source of the Church’s teaching on free will, why did Jesus agonize thus?
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often I have desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! [Matthew. 23:37]
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church: free will
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a3.htm
And question…you accept the bible as authority regarding the question?
14 The Lord created us humans,
and from the very beginning,
he gave us the ability
to choose how we will live. Sirach 15"14
The Lord God then asked the woman, “What have you done?”
“The snake tricked me,” she answered. “And I ate some of that fruit.” Genesis 3:13
Clearly our ‘first ancestors’ had freedom to choose good or evil.
They chose to do what God told them to avoid, though God had given them all others freedoms.
Solomon committed “evil in the eyes of the Lord” as “his heart had turned away from the Lord…” (1 Kings 11:6, 9). King Rehoboam “did evil because he had not set his heart on seeking the Lord” (2 Chron. 12:14). Zedekiah “did evil in the eyes of the Lord” and “did not humble himself before Jeremiah the prophet” because he became “stiff-necked and hardened his heart and would not turn to the Lord…” (2 Chron. 36:12–13).
These are biblical choices for good/evil, proofs of free choice.
And if the bible is not the source of the Church’s teaching on free will, why did Jesus agonize thus?
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often I have desired to gather your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! [Matthew. 23:37]
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Barbkw
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newadvent.org/cathen/06259a.htm
•RELATION OF THE QUESTION TO DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF PHILOSOPHY
•HISTORY
◦Free Will in Ancient Philosophy
◦Free Will and the Christian Religion
■Catholic Doctrine
■Thomist and Molinist Theories
■Free will and the Protestant Reformers
◦Free Will in Modern Philosophy
•THE ARGUMENT
◦Proof
◦Objections
•NATURE AND RANGE OF MORAL LIBERTY
•CONSEQUENCES
•RELATION OF THE QUESTION TO DIFFERENT BRANCHES OF PHILOSOPHY
•HISTORY
◦Free Will in Ancient Philosophy
◦Free Will and the Christian Religion
■Catholic Doctrine
■Thomist and Molinist Theories
■Free will and the Protestant Reformers
◦Free Will in Modern Philosophy
•THE ARGUMENT
◦Proof
◦Objections
•NATURE AND RANGE OF MORAL LIBERTY
•CONSEQUENCES
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