Is the government breaking laws?

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How often does our government break the law?

Did the office of the president break the law with the prisoner exchange?

If so, does congress give passive approval for office of the president?

If the executive branch does not enforce the law, is the congress guilty too?

THANKS!

I said the office of the president because it may not be happening now, and it may have only, if ever, happened in the past.
 
Yes, our government does break the law on a near constant basis. If you read the constitution, you can very clearly see that. The fact that the NSA exists is a violation of our constitutional rights.

And yes, prisoner exchanges need to be cleared through Congress, so this was an illegal act.

No, we the people elect the president.

If one branch is breaking the law and the other two stand by and let it happen, they are all guilty. If we, the American People stand by and let it happen, then WE are guilty as well.
 
Jim_Baur said:
How often does our government break the law?

Did the office of the president break the law with the prisoner exchange?

If so, does congress give passive approval for office of the president?

If the executive branch does not enforce the law, is the congress guilty too?

THANKS!

I said the office of the president because it may not be happening now, and it may have only, if ever, happened in the past.
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In my opinion every government is corrupt
 
The government has always broke laws. It will always break laws. We just have to hold those responsible more accountable and put them in jail rather than pardon men like Nixon.

I don’t think the President broke the law with the prisoner release. If he did there might be a little control over the finger pointing because lets see: Nixon really broke the law, both Bush’s broke the law, Ford broke the law…Clinton broke the law…so what is the pointing for?

Finally, laws can be and are meant to be changed, but those changes have to come from the people, not the lawyers and special interest groups.
 
TheDoors said:
Yes, our government does break the law on a near constant basis. If you read the constitution, you can very clearly see that. The fact that the NSA exists is a violation of our constitutional rights.

And yes, prisoner exchanges need to be cleared through Congress, so this was an illegal act.

No, we the people elect the president.

If one branch is breaking the law and the other two stand by and let it happen, they are all guilty. If we, the American People stand by and let it happen, then WE are guilty as well.
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Amen
 
Jim_Baur said:
How often does our government break the law?

Did the office of the president break the law with the prisoner exchange?

If so, does congress give passive approval for office of the president?

If the executive branch does not enforce the law, is the congress guilty too?

THANKS!

I said the office of the president because it may not be happening now, and it may have only, if ever, happened in the past.
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As long as the American people are making money in the private sector or are getting public assistance from the government, there won’t be much backlash in either direction. That’s the way a two party monopoly works. We’re even willing to turn a blind eye to the loss of our own freedoms for the sake of maintaining our incomes which is sad. But as long as people continue watching the news and not thinking for themselves, we’ll continue being force-fed all the popular issues while ignoring the fact that we’ve completely sold ourselves out.
 
TEPO said:
As long as the American people are making money in the private sector or are getting public assistance from the government, there won’t be much backlash in either direction. That’s the way a two party monopoly works. We’re even willing to turn a blind eye to the loss of our own freedoms for the sake of maintaining our incomes which is sad. But as long as people continue watching the news and not thinking for themselves, we’ll continue being force-fed all the popular issues while ignoring the fact that we’ve completely sold ourselves out.
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But…in the end isn’t it all about quality of life? Despite the criticisms, I’d say our quality of life is pretty doggone good here.
 
If what is being stated on this thread is accurate, does the citizen have the legal rights and power to do anything to force the government to change?

Or should we just be the kahal or ekkelisia or the Church, called out of the entire mess?

(I hope I came close to the correct spellings.)
 
on_the_hill said:
But…in the end isn’t it all about quality of life? Despite the criticisms, I’d say our quality of life is pretty doggone good here.
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With progressivism being endlessly progressive, it makes sense logically to conclude that there will eventually come a time where Godly religions collide directly with quality of life or “secular Humanism”. We haven’t gotten there yet, but to some degree we should probably feel partially responsible for allowing it to happen. The less resistance we offer the worse off we are -and allowing the government to walk all over us and the world sends a clear message.

…if Western lifestyle goes global, and humanism and it’s luxuries become the goal, religion will die. It’s the replacement of God for man and his own desires.
 
on_the_hill said:
But…in the end isn’t it all about quality of life? Despite the criticisms, I’d say our quality of life is pretty doggone good here.
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America was founded on the principle of Liberty or Death. A lot of people are content to give up their liberties to live in comfort under the wing of the government. Which is not was intended. The government should allow us to express and protect our freedoms, not take them away until we are dependent on the short-leash.

Yes, the government breaks a lot of laws.
 
“When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government”
 
TEPO

I agree.

Also, do you think that there are parts of our society that are actually missing the mark even more than just secular humanism?

Are they pagan?

Are they beyond pagan?

Are they brutish?
 
on_the_hill said:
But…in the end isn’t it all about quality of life? Despite the criticisms, I’d say our quality of life is pretty doggone good here.
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Our “quality of life” has been declining for over 30 years. And there have always been folks in the country who live in no better conditions than those in 3rd world nations. I say in a nation with the abundance this one has, that should not be the case any more. But it is.

As long as we continue to embrace globalism as it is now practiced, the outsourcing of our jobs to other nations, we will continue to decline, the number of poor will increase and so will the indifference to all inequities. Only the people can stem the tide of injustice. We seem to have forgotten that.
 
When does love come into existence on planet earth? When we do it.

When does justice come into existence on planet earth? When we do it.

I agree with you Cricket2.
 
Jim_Baur said:
TEPO

I agree.

Also, do you think that there are parts of our society that are actually missing the mark even more than just secular humanism?

Are they pagan?

Are they beyond pagan?

Are they brutish?
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Probably all three, but we know for sure they’re criminal… Anyone know if the leaked Optic Nerve Program is still in use…? That program is so criminal that if an ordinary citizen were to do it, he would be imprisoned for multiple life sentences. That’s thousands and thousands of felonies.
 
Jim_Baur said:
TEPO

leaked Optic Nerve Program

What is it?
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“Optic Nerve is a mass surveillance program run by the British signals intelligence agency Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), with help from the US National Security Agency, that surreptitiously collects private webcam still images from users while they are using a Yahoo! Webcam application, presumably Yahoo! Messenger.”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ

…in other words, millions of people are being watched by the government through their home PC webcams. Big brother is literally watching us. Snowden exposed this -it was recently made public.
 
TEPO said:
“Optic Nerve is a mass surveillance program run by the British signals intelligence agency Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), with help from the US National Security Agency, that surreptitiously collects private webcam still images from users while they are using a Yahoo! Webcam application, presumably Yahoo! Messenger.”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ

…in other words, millions of people are being watched by the government through their home PC webcams. Big brother is literally watching us. Snowden exposed this -it was recently made public.
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Hmmm… It seems the link is now dysfunctional. 🤷

Here’s what it said 15 minutes ago:

"Optic Nerve (GCHQ)
Optic Nerve is a mass surveillance program run by the British signals intelligence agency Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), with help from the US National Security Agency, that surreptitiously collects private webcam still images from users while they are using a Yahoo! Webcam application, presumably Yahoo! Messenger. As an example of the scale, in one 6-month period, the program is reported to have collected images from 1.8 million Yahoo! user accounts globally. The program was first reported on in the media in February 2014, from documents leaked by the former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden, but dates back to a prototype started in 2008, and was still active in at least 2012.[1][2]

The leaked documents describe the users under surveillance as “unselected”, meaning that data was collected indiscriminately in bulk from users regardless of whether they were an intelligence target or not. The vast majority of affected users would have been completely innocent of any crime or suspicion of a crime. Optic Nerve as described in the documents collected one still image every 5 minutes per user, attempting to comply with human rights legislation.[1] The images were collected in a searchable database, and used for experiments in facial recognition, to monitor known targets, and to discover new targets. The choice of Yahoo! for surveillance was taken because “Yahoo webcam is known to be used by GCHQ targets”. Unlike the US NSA, the UK GCHQ is not required by law to minimize the collection from domestic citizens, so UK citizens could have been targeted on the same level as non-UK citizens.[1][2]

The story was broken by The Guardian in February 2014, and is based on leaked documents dating to between 2008 and 2012. Yahoo! expressed outrage at the programme,[3]when approached by The Guardian, and subsequently called it “a whole new level of violation of our users’ privacy.”[1] A GCHQ spokesperson stated “It is a long-standing policy that we do not comment on intelligence matters”.[4][2]

Though there were some limits to which photos security analysts were allowed to see, with bulk searches limited to metadata, security analysts were allowed to see “webcam images associated with similar Yahoo identifiers to your known target”.[1][2]

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_Nerve_(GCHQ
 
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