Is the Holy Eucharist only for Catholics?

[wifeandmomoftwo]

I have read in the Wine thread that it was alright for a non catholic to take the bread but not the wine. And that the Body and Blood was present in both species.

what you read on the wine thread Kitty is that a Catholic may partake of both the wine and bread or just one of these at the Eucharist. I do not recall anybody saying that a non-catholic could have the bread…I think you misread or misunderstood

 

[mercygate]

Most Methodists embrace the Real Presence of Christ - more with an understanding like the Orthodox than Catholicism - a mystery we cannot explain, but fully embrace.

Having said that, even though I embrace the Real Presence of Christ, I do not receive if I am at a Mass. Of late, I have avoided going to funerals and weddings if there is a Mass, even if I have been asked to assist as a clergyman, out of respect to Catholics and to avoid the pain of not being welcome.

Good, grief O.S., you are as welcome as hot buttered toast and tea on a Sunday morning! I totally understand and respect your respect for the Catholic Sacrament (was there for years myself). There is absolutely no “unwelcomeness” in refraining from participating in a Sacrament that witnesses to a full theology that you do not accept.

We call that integrity. We could use a lot more of it in the Catholic Church. I commend you for it. God love ya! :tiphat:

 

[O.S.Luke]

A noncatholic may NOT partake in any part of the Eucharist at a Catholic Church…that means no Bread and no wine!

The capitalized “NOT” and exclamation point here points toward the ‘unwelcomness’ that I perceive among some Catholics. This is why I avoid attending a Mass.

I certainly respect Catholicism and its understanding of the Eucharist and who may/may not partake, but I don’t need my nose rubbed in it. I think that’s the painful part.

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

The exclamation point here points toward the ‘unwelcomness’ that I perceive among some Catholics. This is why I avoid attending a Mass.

Oh Vey!
You get unwelcomness outta a punctuation mark
I see it as affirming a strong feeling.
Would you of been more welcome with a period after the fact?

 

[wifeandmomoftwo]

The capitalized “NOT” and exclamation point here points toward the ‘unwelcomness’ that I perceive among some Catholics. This is why I avoid attending a Mass.

I certainly respect Catholicism and its understanding of the Eucharist and who may/may not partake, but I don’t need my nose rubbed in it. I think that’s the painful part.

was not rubbing your nose into it…just stating a fact rather strongly, sorry. What can I say I love my church and faith and dont like seeing it abused! (NOT saying that you abuse it).

But please notice I never said you where not welcome at Mass, because of course you ARE WELCOME .

As a Catholic I just get tired of seeing sacraments abused by people that dont understand what they really are.

 

[mercygate]

The exclamation point here points toward the ‘unwelcomness’ that I perceive among some Catholics. This is why I avoid attending a Mass.

I hear you! I attribute part of the delay in my crossing the Tiber to some of the pricklyness of Catholics. However, many others were deeply understanding of the sincerity of my quest for Christ and for the fullness of His Truth.

Although it was decades before my conversion, a Catholic priest overheard a comment I made to a Catholic who had noticed I was not receiving Communion despite my “behavior” at Mass, which resembled that of an an unreconstructed pre-Vatican II Catholic. She had assured me that it was OK to receive Communion, “because you don’t have to go to Confession any more.” I replied, “But Confession is the cornerstone of an authentic commitment to Christ!” The priest turned around and said to me: “You can receive Communion in my church any time!”

Now, he should not have said or done that. Mind you, he had a reputation for being rock-ribbed tough on canonical regulations, so this was a remarkable thing for him to do. It was a watershed moment for me. I did begin receiving communion at his Masses but I would have been content to remain in my pew because like you, O.S., I understood and respected the discipline.

When I began approaching the Church in earnest, I no longer received the Sacrament. For me, to accept the Lord in His Church meant to accept the discipline.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

Thank you for your words, you are kind, My daughters name is Elizabeth, Elizabeths baby jumped in her womb when Mary(pregnant with Jesus) came for a visit…I thought I throw that one in.

Elizabeth is my confirmation name, as in Elizabeth Ann Seton, the first American-born saint. Like me, she wasn’t raised Catholic. She was also a mother of five children and, after the death of her husband, a religious sister. I have always respected her call to two very different vocations.

I do not know if you read this thread from the beginning but I was braught up in the catholic church.

Yes, I had caught that. Sorry if it was not clear from my post!

That is what I do not understand. Where in the bible does it say one has to complete a study to receive Jesus.

I am reminded of the disciples. We, like they, are called to be disciples of Christ. But the disciples did not meet Jesus and then start their ministry. Many of them spent years following Him, slowly learning all He had to tell them. Sometimes He had to repeat Himself over and over again . And then, after all that, just before His crucifixion, Jesus instituted the Eucharist.

Jesus could have invited the disciples to partake of His Body and Blood when they met Him or when they agreed to follow Him. But He didn’t. He waited until their instruction was complete.

I can not imagine the pain you must have experienced. I know this is against what you believe, but had I been a witness to your pain at that moment, I believe right there you could have given your heart to God and accepted Him as Lord and Saviour and been “washed” clean of all your sin.

I don’t know if I can explain what I want to say adequately in human words. I am so glad for that pain and that burning desire for Jesus, that time to long for Him because now, I understand in a way I could not have before, what a gift He is.

Also, that longing to receive Him was what brought me into the Church. It is what caused me to rethink my entire life. It was the only thing that caused me to turn away from my sins. I was perfectly happy with my beliefs before I came to know Jesus in the Eucharist. There are many Christian churches I could have joined that would have told me that some of my sins were not actually sins at all. But once I recognized Christ in that tiny little host, there was no going back. I had to turn my whole life over to Him and do all of the crazy-difficult things He wanted me to do.

So that time of preparation served two purposes in my life. First, it allowed me to run toward Christ and accept all of His teachings. Then, when the priest said “The Body of Christ,” I could truly say “Amen” because I recognized Jesus, accepted His teachings and truly knew what a great gift His Eucharistic Presence is.

I want to commend your desire to seek the truth, whatisthetruth. In that, I feel a common bond with you, and I appreciate very much your thoughtful and kind reply to me. It has caused me to again look at why I believe so strongly what I do. I know an incredibly holy woman who said once, “God never surprises me, but He always amazes me.” Amen! He is always amazing me with His love and mercy!

God bless you.

 

[justinthemartyr]

if you partake of the Eucharist without believing and also without examining yourself, you may be placing condemnation upon yourself as is stated in corinthians.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi all,

I admire and appreciate all your concern and prayers for me that I may find the truth of the sacrement of the Holy Eucharist. Folks, leaving the Catholic church was not easy, It was the only way to go to church I knew how. I am at peace with my decision to leave because I believe I have found truth according exclusively in the word of God. As a Catholic, I have been referred to many materials including the chatechism and the Council of Trent.

As Neophyte Rose said

These sources are Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

Traditions can lead to misunderstanding

Yet the failings of its individual members is not the fault of the Church; it is the fault of sin and the human individual’s habbit of it.

I completely agree, I was ignorant to the truth growing up. I depended on what others taught me and not getting the word straight from God himself through His bible. Since the Bible is not placed in the pews of the church, I never read it in any detail.
I always wondered why they are not placed in the pews?

Purgatory, mortal sin and venial sin are all implied in Scripture; they are explicitly revealed through Tradition.

interesting word “implied”.
**Are you saying the bible does not mention purgatory, mortal sin and venial sin? **
**Do you believe God would have mentined them in the Bible if they had any signifigance on the spiritual matuirity of His faithful? **

I still am confused, as to why the other materials are needed to interprit God’s word and/or add things to His word which are not there but rather “implied”.

Even God says in His word…

2 Timothy 3:15 NIV
and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures,
which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

God gave us His word, the Bible, so that even a child can understand Him.

 

[whatisthetruth]

I thank Elizabeth for the scenario she gave me…

ElizabethAnne

If you could do me a favor, I would appreciate it. Could you imagine what it would be like to believe that Jesus Christ,
Our Lord, is present in the Eucharist? wouldn’t you want others to believe it as well? would you want people who do not know that the Lord is really, truly present in the host to consume Him without recognizing Him?

I completely agreed with everything she said based on… believing as she asked me to do.
The key question is…“wouldn’t you want others to believe it as well”?
I admire your passion Elizabeth.
It is a passion I also share. I believe I have also found the truth in that I want others to believe and experience the peace I have.
It is the one reason I am on this thread.
If by chance my church is not serving communion according to the word of God, I sure would want to know about it.
However, if by chance, catholics are not serving communion according to the word of God, wouldn’t you want to know about it?.
Here is where I am going to make a bold statement.

In scripture, when Jesus took the bread and cup and said “This is my body” and “This is my blood”, and His desciples ate the bread and drank from the cup they were… .
A) receiving the very Body and Blood of Christ Himself
or
B) spiritually remembering the sacrifice that Jesus would be making, and thanking Him for dying and paying the ransom for our sins. The “bread” and “wine” is used as a symbolic remembrance.
C) some other way not mentioned

I believe only one of those 3 is true and they all can not be true according to God.

Do we agree??
yes ____ no______
if no, please explain

As Elizabeth asked me, I like to ask anyone who like to give an answer to me.
“If you could do me a favor, I would appreciate it.”
“Could you imagine” God looking down at the Catholic church and seeing the priests offering “The (actual) body of Christ”
at communion and the “Holy Eucharist” is not the body of Christ
according to God.

**How do you think God would feel? **
How do you think you would feel, finding out you have been believing a lie?
One of the commandments is,

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above… Exodus 20:4

**If you did believe you were being lied to by the teachings of your church, wouldn’t you want to know and then want to inform others of your faith and reliegion? **

“I know you don’t believe” right now any of what I suggested, “but please consider what it would be like if you did”.
I appeciate your answer.

Here is a question I have. According to…
stlouisparish.org/html/communionfaq.htm

Frequently Asked Questions About Communion
Q. What do Catholics believe they are receiving when they come to Holy Communion?
A. We believe that we are receiving the very Body and Blood of Christ Himself.
Q. Can I take the host directly from the priest or minister before it is placed in my hand?

**If Catholics belief the Holy Eucharist is the Body of Christ shouldn’t the question be…

Q. Can I take Jesus directly from the priest or minister before it is placed in my hand?**

 

[whatisthetruth]

Rolltide concern is

If the Real Presence of the Eucharist is a false teaching, then the Apostles themselves incorrectly trained and appointed a bishop with false beliefs, and are responsible for the perversion of the Catholic Church.

you just expressed the reason I left, thank you Rolltide

It is very clear that this would not be likely. There are other documents that also support this opinion
Why the need for other documents?

The bible is God’s true word as mentioned above.

Rolltide or anyone reading this,

Harry tells a story about his personal life to Sue, Carol, Bob and Mike in the same room at the same time
Beth comes along and hears the story from Sue as she remembers Harry telling her.

You are interested in finding information about the same story which was told.
Who are you going to ask information from in which you will get the most accurate information about Harry’s life?
**Sue, Carol, Bob, Harry, Mike, or Beth **

I hope you said Harry.

Harry, “(God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Bible)” are the originator of the story

All others are interpretations, which can lead to error

I should also point out some relevant Bible passages:

Ok, lets look at scripture you referenced…

I Cor11:23–29;

3For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread,
24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this,
whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord
in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup.
29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

I saw what you saw where Jesus says “This is my body, which is for you” also “This cup is the new covenant in my blood”
which is why I believe that you believe what you do
correct??

However, taking things out of context can lead to error.

If someone taped a converstion of mine and you heard from that tape my voice saying…“I had tickets to the game on Sunday”
you would probably call me up if you were interested and then ask me…“How many tickets do you have available”?

That call could have been illiminated if you heard everything I said which was actually…
“There is a great game this weekend, if I had tickets to the game on Sunday, I sure know where I would be.”

 

[whatisthetruth]

Back to communion

Did you notice how Jesus ended each verse …

24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this,
whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”

If you were taking Jesus at communion, there would be no need to remember, He is right there being offered to you in body and blood

Also from 1 Corinthians 11

1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,

Not the priest, bishops, cardinals or the pope but Jesus Christ.

17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.
18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you…
19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.
**20When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat **
21for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else.

In our chuch, the “bread” and “wine” are distributed through the church.

As we all are holding the “bread”

We have a prayer of remembrance and thankfulness to the Lord for what he has done for us
after prayer, pastor would then say…Jesus then said “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

then we all take the bread as one unified church

prayer and remembrance is also done for the “wine”

32When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.
33So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for each other.

If you noticed I left out a verse in prior post and there is a reason and here is why…

26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

My friend, God’s word says until he (Jesus) comes. God’s word is true so how can you eat Jesus body if He is has not come yet
according to God.

also…

Neophyte Rose also said

Canon of Scripture. Yes, it is said that Christ will come again.

Great we both agree Jesus Christ will come

Jesus also says in Scripture - “And behold, for I am with you until the end of the age.”

Yes he does. with that verse…when Jesus said “And behold, for I am with you until the end of the age.”,

I have ! final question to you.

From the verse below,

**Did Jesus mean with us…

in body (flesh) (Holy Eucharist)

or

did he mean it in spirit?**

I believe He meant He is with us in spirit.

The verse…

From John 6
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
64Yet there are some of you who do not believe

What do you believe?

My prayer to God is that hearts will be opened and His truth is revealed. I encourage you to sincerely and personally ask God to reveal the answer

May the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you

Amen

truth

 

[ElizabethAnne]

Traditions can lead to misunderstanding.

I completely agree, I was ignorant to the truth growing up. I depended on what others taught me and not getting the word straight from God himself through His bible. Since the Bible is not placed in the pews of the church, I never read it in any detail.
I always wondered why they are not placed in the pews?

The Bible can lead to misunderstanding if the readings are not considered in their proper context. That’s why we have tradition. They complement each other and lead to greater understanding.

Different Christians interpret the Bible differently. If it were true that all Christians could understand the words of God from the Bible alone, why is it that there are so many different interpretations from well-meaning belivers of different faiths?

Also, readings from the Bible are proclaimed at Mass every Sunday. In a three year cycle, almost the entire New Testament is covered. Even if a Catholic never read the Bible (and they should do that in addition!), they would hear the word of God at Mass.

God gave us His word, the Bible, so that even a child can understand Him.

What did Christians do before the Bible had been compiled? How were the texts choosen?

Here is where I am going to make a bold statement.

In scripture, when Jesus took the bread and cup and said “This is my body” and “This is my blood”, and His desciples ate the bread and drank from the cup they were… .
A) receiving the very Body and Blood of Christ Himself
**or **
**B) spiritually remembering the sacrifice that Jesus would be making, and thanking Him for dying and paying the ransom for our sins. The “bread” and “wine” is used as a symbolic remembrance. **
C) some other way not mentioned
I believe only one of those 3 is true and they all can not be true according to God.

I want you to know, whatisthetruth, that I do understand where you are coming from even though I disagree with you about Communion. If I believed the Eucharist was not the Body and Blood of the Lord, I would not want others to be misguided.

I agree with what you said above. Both interpretations of communion cannot be true. But as I mentioned in another post, I know that the Eucharist is Jesus. He has already revealed Himself, the answer, to me. Praise God! I recognize His presence, and to deny that would go against what I believe God is asking of me. To turn my back on the Eucharist, to me, is to turn my back on God Himself.

If Catholics belief the Holy Eucharist is the Body of Christ shouldn’t the question be…

Q. Can I take Jesus directly from the priest or minister before it is placed in my hand?

Host is another term used for the Eucharist. Jesus is “hosted” in the bread, which is then His Body and Blood. It can also rightly be called Jesus, as you mentioned.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi Elizabeth

you said

The Bible can lead to misunderstanding if the readings are not considered in their proper context. That’s why we have tradition. They complement each other and lead to greater understanding.

As you mentioned below, other chuches have thier interpretations ans traditions of thier religion. So whose interprtation and/or tradition is that of God?

Different Christians interpret the Bible differently. If it were true that all Christians could understand the words of God from the Bible alone, why is it that there are so many different interpretations from well-meaning belivers of different faiths?

Excellent question, I believe that is the result of what God let us all know in His word

From John 6
64Yet there are some of you who do not believe

Also, readings from the Bible are proclaimed at Mass every Sunday. In a three year cycle, almost the entire New Testament is covered. Even if a Catholic never read the Bible (and they should do that in addition!), they would hear the word of God at Mass.

Agree. But the old testament, which is rarely talked about in Mass, is just as important in understanding the complete message of the bible.

What did Christians do before the Bible had been compiled? How were the texts choosen?

How about a direct conversation with God. He illustrated many ways to communicate in the old testament.

the burning bush, giving moses the ten commandments, informing Noah to build the ark when rain did not even exist yet,
my favorite is Jonah not listening to Him and wound up in a big fishes stomach for 3 days. It wasnt till after sincere prayer and repentance that God granted Jonah freedom and the fish spit Him out on land.

Stories I never knew as a Catholic.
Are you aware of all I mentoned?

If I believed the Eucharist was not the Body and Blood of the Lord, I would not want others to be misguided.

Thank you for that.

To turn my back on the Eucharist, to me, is to turn my back on God Himself.

It is the struggle went through at first when I left the church,
It would be tough to give up what you have planted your belief in.

However, If something happened down the road and you found out what I am saying is the true word of God, wouldn’t you want to experience a relationship with God in the way He wants to have a relationship with you.?

I feel as close to Him as I ever did .

question is who is living their life on false beliefs? you or I?

God knows the answer.
The people of the Old Testament went straight to God. I believe we all need to do that more often than rely on the teachings of people before us,

truth

 

[mercygate]

As you mentioned below, other chuches have thier interpretations ans traditions of thier religion. So whose interprtation and/or tradition is that of God?

One would look to the Christian body that can trace its history in an unbroken line back to the Upper Room and that has maitained continuity and consistency of doctrine for the past 2000 years.

Excellent question, I believe that is the result of what God let us all know in His word

You are suggesting that disunity, despite the Lord’s prayer and plea for unity, is of divine origin? You seem to limit your definition of “word of God” to the written Scriptures.

Agree. But the old testament, which is rarely talked about in Mass, is just as important in understanding the complete message of the bible.

What are you talking about? Every Sunday we hear four Scripture readings: Two from the OT: a lesson and a Psalm, and two from the NT, an Epistle or other reading and a Gospel selection. The OT and Gospel readings are always thematically linked.

How about a direct conversation with God. He illustrated many ways to communicate in the old testament.

the burning bush, giving moses the ten commandments, informing Noah to build the ark when rain did not even exist yet,
my favorite is Jonah not listening to Him and wound up in a big fishes stomach for 3 days. It wasnt till after sincere prayer and repentance that God granted Jonah freedom and the fish spit Him out on land.

Stories I never knew as a Catholic.
Are you aware of all I mentoned?

I am flabbergasted. Not only am I “aware” I teach this stuff to kids in CCD!

. . .

I feel as close to Him as I ever did .
question is who is living their life on false beliefs? you or I?

Keep asking. But you seem to think you have the answer.

God knows the answer.

You bet He does, and He isn’t keeping it a secret.

The people of the Old Testament went straight to God.

. . . and since the Incarnation, He now comes straight to us in many ways.

I believe we all need to do that more often than rely on the teachings of people before us,

truth

You make an artificial distinction. Catholics believe that “the teachings of people before us” are a direct link to those whom Christ commissioned to “make disciples of all nations”. He actually gave the teaching job to the men He trusted. Do we also “go directly to Him?” Of course. But we go with the assurance that He will never teach us anything that contradicts the teaching He entrusted to His Apostles.

 

[ElizabethAnne]

As you mentioned below, other chuches have thier interpretations ans traditions of thier religion. So whose interprtation and/or tradition is that of God?

I think you know how I would answer this question as I know how you would answer it.

Agree. But the old testament, which is rarely talked about in Mass, is just as important in understanding the complete message of the bible.

Yes, I agree that the Old Testament is very important. As mercygate mentioned, there are two Old Testament readings and two New Testament readings every Sunday. I specifically mentioned the New Testament because it is pretty well covered by the three-year cycle of readings. As I am sure you know, the Old Testament is longer, and I am not sure what percentage of it is covered, though I do know that much of it is.

How about a direct conversation with God. He illustrated many ways to communicate in the old testament.

What I was trying to point out is that God did not leave us only the Bible. If the early Christians had not had the disciples and the sacraments, if they had continued to follow the Old Testament, they would have been Jewish.

Are you aware of all I mentoned?

I have heard all of those readings proclaimed at Mass.

It is the struggle went through at first when I left the church, It would be tough to give up what you have planted your belief in.

I really think the bolded statement (my bolding) is unfair. I have planted my belief in Christ, in Our Lord. He alone guides me, and I trust in Him.

What we have is a different understanding of how God communicates. We both agree that God communicates with us directly and that He communicates through the Bible. I believe that in addition to that, He can also communicate through holy men and women who have followed Him before me and that those people are examples of how to live a Christ-filled life.

 

[whatisthetruth]

You seem to limit your definition of “word of God” to the written Scriptures.

The Bible is the only book where God’s true word is revealed.
all else is an interpretation which is subject to error

Every Sunday we hear four Scripture readings: Two from the OT: a lesson and a Psalm, and two from the NT, an Epistle or other reading and a Gospel selection. The OT anGospel readings are always thematically linked

.

Apparently Catholic church changed… When I grew up, there were 2 new testament readings and a Gospel reading.

I am flabbergasted. Not only am I “aware” I teach this stuff to kids in CCD!

I am glad to hear, I am a teacher too. Kids are the best to teach

Keep asking. But you seem to think you have the answer.

He actually gave the teaching job to the men He trusted. Do we also “go directly to Him?” Of course. But we go with the assurance that He will never teach us anything that contradicts the teaching He entrusted to His Apostles.

Interesting you phrased it like that,

If God directly tells you something that goes against the Apostles teachings, you probably misunderstod what God was saying to you instead of assuming the Apostles are the ones who misunderstood, correct??

well we got off track to the subject… getting back to communion how would you answer the questions I presented on my last post?

Did you notice how Jesus ended each bible verse …

24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this,
whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”

If you were taking Jesus at communion, there would be no need to remember, He is right there being offered to you in body and blood

Also from 1 Corinthians 11

1Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ,

Not the priest, bishops, cardinals or the pope but Jesus Christ.

17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good.
18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you…
19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God’s approval.
20When you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat
21for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else.

In our chuch, the “bread” and “wine” are distributed through the church.

As we all are holding the “bread”

We have a prayer of remembrance and thankfulness to the Lord for what he has done for us
after prayer, pastor would then say…Jesus then said “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”

then we all take the bread as one unified church

prayer and remembrance is also done for the “wine”

32When we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned with the world.
33So then, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for each other.

If you noticed I left out a verse in prior post and there is a reason and here is why…

26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

My friend, God’s word says until he (Jesus) comes. God’s word is true so how can you eat Jesus body if He is has not come yet
according to God.

also…

Neophyte Rose also said

Canon of Scripture. Yes, it is said that Christ will come again.

Great we both agree Jesus Christ will come

Jesus also says in Scripture - “And behold, for I am with you until the end of the age.”

Yes he does. with that verse…when Jesus said “And behold, for I am with you until the end of the age.”,

I have ! final question to you.
From the verse below,
Did Jesus mean with us…

in body (flesh) (Holy Eucharist)

or

did he mean it in spirit?

I believe He meant He is with us in spirit.

The verse…
:

From John 6
63The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.
64Yet there are some of you who do not believe

What do you believe?

May the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you

Amen

truth

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

Did you notice how Jesus ended each bible verse …

Quote:
24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this,
whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”

If you were taking Jesus at communion, there would be no need to remember, He is right there being offered to you in body and blood

He is there and we remember Him as He was during His life on Earth as well.

Apparently when we “remember” the beauty of a loved one as our brother from our childhood while we are hugging him in greeting on the doorstep before Christmas dinner, it “proves” that they’re not really in our arms hugging us back.

Fascinating.

 

[ALLGIRLS]

Ok, so we have another former Catholic, who was apparently totally uncatechized, and when presented w/ the fundamentalist position, suddenly saw the “truth”, and is now here to try to enlighten us poor, misled Catholics. A couple of things:

1: We’ve heard all this before. Your objections to Catholic teaching have been answered, historically and Biblically (btw, Rolltide you ROCK! ). Enough now. If you still sincerely believe that the Church’s teachings are false, the only thing you can do at this point is pray for us (we’ll be doing the same for you, as we believe your church’s teachings are false as well). Since you’re willing, in order to maintain your beliefs, to believe the APOSTLES, many of whom WROTE the Bible, were wrong, there’s just nothing left to say to each other. I mean, the thought that your own interpretation (that is, the interpretation of your fundamentalist friends and pastor) is correct, but the interpretation of the people that actually wrote the Bible or were students of those who wrote it is wrong is just the height of arrogance and hubris, and I can’t even deal with that, sorry. . You’ve made yourself your own infallible authority, in a word, your own Pope . Think about that.

1. When Catholics say “Word of God”, we don’t mean the Bible, we mean Christ (“In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God…And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us…” John 1:1, 14a), who is revealed both in Sacred Scripture, and Sacred Tradition (“Therefore, brethen, stand fast: and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle.” 2 Thessalonians 2: 14).
2. You seem to be of the pre-Vatican II generation, given that you didn’t realize we read from the Old Testament every Sunday, and thought the Church teaches that nonCatholics go to hell. A lot of disciplines and practices (NOT DOCTRINES OR DOGMAS) have changed. You should go to Mass sometime (it’s in English now), and hear for yourself the amount of Scripture that is in the entire liturgy, besides the readings (that was Scott Hahn’s, a former anti-Catholic Presbyterian pastor, now staunch Catholic Scripture scholar and apologist, first step toward the Catholic Church) and maybe read the documents of Vatican II and the new Catechism of the Catholic Church (published in 1992, I believe), to reconcile your preconceived notions w/ what the Church actually believes and teaches.

You’ll be in my prayers, God bless you and keep you.

In Christ,

Ellen

 

[Rolltide]

Rolltide or anyone reading this,

Harry tells a story about his personal life to Sue, Carol, Bob and Mike in the same room at the same time
Beth comes along and hears the story from Sue as she remembers Harry telling her.

You are interested in finding information about the same story which was told.
Who are you going to ask information from in which you will get the most accurate information about Harry’s life?
Sue, Carol, Bob, Harry, Mike, or Beth

I hope you said Harry.

Harry, “(God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Bible)” are the originator of the story

All others are interpretations, which can lead to error

Ahhh! A very good analogy. So Harry is Jesus, and Sue, Carol, Bob, and Mike are the Apostles. Beth could represent either Clement of Rome or Ignatius of Antioch. Now of course, ideally I would ask Harry himself for his story. Sadly, however, he died before I was born and never wrote anything down. So, you’re saying I should believe what Sue, Carol, Bob, and Mike write about Harry, but not what they tell me from first-hand experience? Further, Beth’s understanding of the story, told directly from people who were with Harry, is apparently so untrustworthy as to be completely disregarded. Hmmmm…

Let me use another analogy…
In my real life, I’m a college professor. Every day, I teach history to a group of students. Now, I’m well aware that within my class will be one or two students that receive D’s and F’s. However, the vast majority will pass, many with A’s. If I select one of those students to be, say, a Teaching Assistant of mine later on, which one am I going to choose? (Now remember, the Apostles themselves selected Clement and Ignatius to be bishops…) I, of course, understand that my own historical writings would not be infallible.

A couple of other questions…

1. Which version of the Bible was available to Ignatius and Clement?
2. Did Paul and other bishops always send letters to correct problems in church teaching, or did they sometimes visit the locations (or send their representatives) and tell them in person?

I’m finding it hard to believe that** every single person** that the Apostles taught got it wrong. Didn’t they receive the Holy Spirit on Pentacost, and weren’t they supposed to go out and preach to all the nations?