Is the Holy Eucharist only for Catholics?

[JPatton]

Would it be safe to say that by the Church denying Holy Communion to a non-C the Church would be protecting the non-C from lieing? Since most non-Cs don’t believe that Christ’s body & blood is actually present, by recieving it they would be lieing and denying their own church’s teaching. Would it also be the same for a C recieving communion at a non-C church? Since they would say openly it is only symbolic and by going along with it and partaking they would also be lieing and denying Church Teaching?

God Bless!
JPatton

 

[c659smith]

JPatton,

You are right on the money.

For anyone not in full Communion with the Catholic Church and Mortal sin would be committing a worse sin but receiving the body and blood,soul,and divinity of Christ.

By a Catholic receiving bread and wine at a protestant Church he or she is giving creedence to their being out of communion with the church and as such is a hypocrite and not helping anyone receive the fullness of Christ.

 

[jfallaw]

I will take some quotes, out of context here, and answer them in order. I hope you don’t mind I took the liberty of correcting spelling.

I am assuming you mean the Canon of Scripture. Yes, it is said that Christ will come again. However, Jesus also says in Scripture - “And behold, for I am with you until the end of the age.”

That’s the whole sweet mystery of it. Jesus is physically, Body and Blood, Present in the Catholic Church. Yet the Parousia is yet to come…

maybe, with further Catechesis (as I have often found the case to be), I will one day find myself able to explain it clearly and succinctly. maybe.

For now, I have been blessed with the grace of faith.

The great thing about the Catholic Church is that we have two sources which are entirely complementary. Both should be considered and studied at great depths, in connection with one another, if one desires to truly understand one’s Catholic Faith.

These sources are Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

That your parents did not encourage you to read Scripture is tragic, IMO, because I believe that is a parent’s job. Priests and nuns should do the same if they are relating to a child in an educational setting.

Yet the failings of its individual members is not the fault of the Church; it is the fault of sin and the human individual’s habbit of it.

Purgatory, mortal sin and venial sin are all implied in Scripture; they are explicitly revealed through Tradition.

Pax Christi,
Esther Rose

the qotation by the OP appears to imply that the Church tries to keep Her members from reading the Bible because it somehow contradicts the Catechism and Tradition.

 

[jfallaw]

I still am confused, as to why the other materials are needed to interprit God’s word and/or add things to His word which are not there but rather “implied”.

Does the Bible say abortion is wrong? No. But it does say murder is wrong, which implies that abortion is wrong. Just as you cannot understand why God needed to give us the Church as a constant teacher in this ever-changing world, I honestly cannot understand how you believe that He only gave us just a book that somehow contains everything we will ever need to know about everything we ever need to know. And a relatively short book, at that! I’ve read technical manuals five times as thick as the Bible. Why is that? Because the Bible is not God’s technical manual to us. It is His inspired Word that was given to teach us about Him and His Son, and guide us in our faith and life. It is for us, but it was even more for the people to whom it was written. When Christ established the Church, He fulfilled the Scriptures.

 

[mgrfin]

the qotation by the OP appears to imply that the Church tries to keep Her members from reading the Bible because it somehow contradicts the Catechism and Tradition.

The Catechism?

It is a handy tool, I’ll admit, but before Vatican 2 where was the Catechism.

I used the ‘penny’ Catechism, the Baltimore Catechism, 1, then 2, then 3.

It has an ‘imprimatur’, but the CCC is a recent development. Most Catholics don’t have one, or know what it is.

peace

 

[mercygate]

The Catechism?

It is a handy tool, I’ll admit, but before Vatican 2 where was the Catechism.

I used the ‘penny’ Catechism, the Baltimore Catechism, 1, then 2, then 3.

It has an ‘imprimatur’, but the CCC is a recent development. Most Catholics don’t have one, or know what it is.

peace

There was a Catechism before the 1994/96 edition. It was the Catechism of the Council of Trent. That was the official catechism from which educational tools, such as The Baltimore Catechism, were developed. The CCT is currently being reprinted in English and is available from one of the Catholic presses - Tan or Roman Catholic Books, I think.

 

[mercygate]

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Hi again CalmDownWisWins, mgrfin, MercyGate

My apologies. I been posting other threads and completely forgot about this one. please forgive me

I reaaquainting myself with the subject at hand. I do want to respond to concerns you left opened.

Welcome back.

mercygate

I believe the word of God has the final authority not the other way around. . . .

you said

could it be the apostles are the one that misunderstood, after all they are human too??Chuckling here. Honesly, whatisthe truth, do you really think the chances that the Apostles got this wrong are greater than the chances that an individual reading and self-interpreting a translation of a collection of 2000-year-old documents might get this wrong?

you said

“Catholics (and Orthodox) follow the Scriptural Order of the Church: Bishops, deacons, & priests (presbyters). Cardinals, and even the Pope are bishops with jurisdiction over more than a single city or region.
The real question is why any Christian body claiming Scripture as its model would NOT have such a structure.”

the bottom line is interpretation God’s word(bible), again which is the authority over the church not the other way around

Well, the issue of church structure: bishops, priests and deacons comes straight out of the New Testament without much confusion possible. You are quibbling here over something that does not bear quibbling. I note also that you have ignored the most creditable points of my earlier post. No problem. This often happens when a person with strongly held beliefs encounters a strong challenge to those beliefs. A person seeking the truth – really seeking – will eventually get there.

We are on bookends on who has the right interpretation. I agree with what you said above “then you have a big problem on your hands” will apply to someone. As to who? only God knows.Honestly, whatisthetruth, have you ever really considered the implications of the fact that the Church GAVE us the Bible, “and not the other way around?” EVER? Don’t answer that. This isn’t an interrogation.

 

[mgrfin]

There was a Catechism before the 1994/96 edition. It was the Catechism of the Council of Trent. That was the official catechism from which educational tools, such as The Baltimore Catechism, were developed. The CCT is currently being reprinted in English and is available from one of the Catholic presses - Tan or Roman Catholic Books, I think.

Not exactly. The Baltimore Catechism is independent of any other catechism, and gives no credit to Trent for its issuance or creation.

The Catechism of Trent is available on line:
catholicprimer.org/trent/catechism_of_trent.pdf

peace

 

[c659smith]

I do not know how we are getting off track here but to answer questions as to Catholic Church not wanting it’s members to not read or hear the Bible have never been to a Catholic Mass. On Sunday there are 3 readings from the Bible… If a member of the Catholic Church wishes all Parishes and Diococes off Biblle study. I also have never seen a Religious turn down a good Bible discussion.

As far as the Catholic Church using implied areas from the bible let me ask you a question

is the Trinity written anywhere in the Bible?..

the last I checked Protestants and Anglicans believe in the Trinity but it is not found in the Bible.

There are many more areas where the Anglican churches professareas of tradition and teachings that are not in the Bible.

Believe it or not the Anglican Churches get their Bible from the Catholic Church to whom it was given through the Holy Spirit and the Apostles. If you disagree when was the first written bible created and what church had same. Where did the Anglican churches get the Bible from?
in a matter of getting bits and pieces Protestant Churches roots comes from the Catholic Church

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi all,

I wanted to let you all know that I am wrong for coming to this site and sending a “I am right you are wrong” message.

I ask you to forgive me if I have said anything that may ave caused hurt feelings.

I will no longer be posting on this thread. It is obvious that we see God’s will through different “lenses”

We can debate our viewpoints and beliefs from know until whenever and nothing will change.

Quite frankly, I realize debating here is just like a chess match which ends in a stalemate. A lot of time and effort and the end result is no different from where the game started.

Having said that. I believe the answer lies within Jesus and what His will is.

I believe in order to settle a debate…Jesus, (the mediator), would encourage us first to see our similiarities and not our differences. I do not see any other better way to accompish God’s will for us and that is to have a one united church body in Jesus’ name.

That is why I started a “tired of debating lets agree on Jesus” thread. In that thread, Mark A was an example of let us first see our similiarities.

In closing thank you all for your feedback. It has been a wonderful learning experience about why everyone believes in the way they do.

I believe each and everyone of you are a champion in God’s eyes.

My prayer is that the champion which God designed in you may be realized one day as God works His miracles in your lives.

God bless you all,

truth

 

[c659smith]

whatisthetruth

There are no hurt feelings here and please stay and use discussion or a kind of bible study to increase your faith. I definitely do not profess to know all.

The only thing I do know is that Holy Communion through the Roman Catholic Church where I receive the body, blood, soul, and Divinity of our Lord into my body brings me at times to tears and to my knees.

I would imagine another Christian having a feeling emptiness and always wanting more after a service without receiving our Lord as he so taught Whoever shall eat my body and drink my blood shall have eternal life and whoever does not eat my body and drink my blood shall have no life within them.

The Roman Catholic Church through Mass re-creates the Last Supper, Crucification, and Resurrection God allowing his only Son, the perfect lamb, to be sacraficed so as to alllow us the opportunity if we so choose to gain entry into heaven.

I also get to sit an hour a week with our Lord in Adoration ( with the Eucharist ) where I pray, sit, and enter into contemplative prayer with Jesus. I have learned how to also listen and rest my life, worries ,and joys in the hands of Jesus. This is such a peace that I never knew could ever exist.

I would want this for all my Christian and Jewish brothers and Sisters. If you have never been to a Catholic Mass I urge all to not rest on what you have heard but sit in the back and see for yourself.