Is the Human soul energy?

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**People hold that the Human soul is pure energy…

This is my conclusion:
[SIGN]“A soul is not energy… A soul is immaterial and cannot be seen or tested. It doesn’t physically exist as energy or matter in the physical world. That is like saying mathematics or the laws of logic are energy… It is just not feasible. Also if souls are energy then entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) also applies and souls can degrade so no soul would be immortal. That’s called a Slippery Slope, if you believe souls are energy then you must believe that human souls are not immortal because of entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics).”[/SIGN]
Does this sound about right?** 🤷
 
Azygos said:
**People hold that the Human soul is pure energy…

This is my conclusion:
[SIGN]“A soul is not energy… A soul is immaterial and cannot be seen or tested. It doesn’t physically exist as energy or matter in the physical world. That is like saying mathematics or the laws of logic are energy… It is just not feasible. Also if souls are energy then entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) also applies and souls can degrade so no soul would be immortal. That’s called a Slippery Slope, if you believe souls are energy then you must believe that human souls are not immortal because of entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics).”[/SIGN]
Does this sound about right?** 🤷
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That’s a clever way of looking at it. You are right.
 
I would have to say that a soul is not energy, seeing as the soul is a spirit while energy is a worldly force. Spiritual things are not material things in any sense; they are not of this world. That’s why I don’t buy those “ghost hunting” shows where they try to find ghosts with heat-monitors. A spirit, if it were indeed still on earth, wouldn’t leave behind any heat.
 
OxygenMan said:
I would have to say that a soul is not energy, seeing as the soul is a spirit while energy is a worldly force. Spiritual things are not material things in any sense; they are not of this world. That’s why I don’t buy those “ghost hunting” shows where they try to find ghosts with heat-monitors. A spirit, if it were indeed still on earth, wouldn’t leave behind any heat.
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I agree with you, although. A spirit may leave behind heat or even move objects but these are not Ghost but Demons that do this. Just as an Angel can interact with the physical world so can a Demon, although they are restricted with it. When people sacrificed children to pagan Gods or do witchcraft they get spiritual rewards… Things get moved around truths are revealed to them from demons that shouldn’t be revealed, etc…

When the Kingdom of Heaven shows up the Demons flee and their Paganess doesn’t produce effects anymore.

For example:

Acts 16:16-19
16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we met a slave girl with an oracular spirit, who used to bring a large profit to her owners through her fortune-telling.

17 She began to follow Paul and us, shouting, “These people are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.”

18 She did this for many days. Paul became annoyed, turned, and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” Then it came out at that moment.

19 When her owners saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them to the public square before the local authorities.
 
The risen Christ was not bounded by any law of nature. He is indeed “super-natural.” It may be impossible for us who live within the bounds of natural laws to grasp the super nature of the spirit.
 
What you call a “slippery slope” is a syllogism. Slippery slope is the name of a particular logical fallacy, in which you connect a string of consequences that become less and less related to the cause.
 
Azygos said:
I agree with you, although. A spirit may leave behind heat or even move objects but these are not Ghost but Demons that do this. Just as an Angel can interact with the physical world so can a Demon, although they are restricted with it. When people sacrificed children to pagan Gods or do witchcraft they get spiritual rewards… Things get moved around truths are revealed to them from demons that shouldn’t be revealed, etc…

When the Kingdom of Heaven shows up the Demons flee and their Paganess doesn’t produce effects anymore.

For example:

Acts 16:16-19
16 As we were going to the place of prayer, we met a slave girl with an oracular spirit, who used to bring a large profit to her owners through her fortune-telling.

17 She began to follow Paul and us, shouting, “These people are slaves of the Most High God, who proclaim to you a way of salvation.”

18 She did this for many days. Paul became annoyed, turned, and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” Then it came out at that moment.

19 When her owners saw that their hope of profit was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them to the public square before the local authorities.
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Oh, I agree. Demons are an entirely different type of spirit than a human soul. They have actual power, if God allows them.
 
Ad_Orientem said:
What you call a “slippery slope” is a syllogism. Slippery slope is the name of a particular logical fallacy, in which you connect a string of consequences that become less and less related to the cause.
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Thank you for the correction.
 
Ad_Orientem said:
What you call a “slippery slope” is a syllogism. Slippery slope is the name of a particular logical fallacy, in which you connect a string of consequences that become less and less related to the cause.
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How do I phrase my writing correctly? Can you reinterpret/rephrase it for me to make more sense? It would be very much appreciated. 🙂
 
Azygos said:
**People hold that the Human soul is pure energy…

This is my conclusion:
[SIGN]“A soul is not energy… A soul is immaterial and cannot be seen or tested. It doesn’t physically exist as energy or matter in the physical world. That is like saying mathematics or the laws of logic are energy… It is just not feasible. Also if souls are energy then entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) also applies and souls can degrade so no soul would be immortal. That’s called a Slippery Slope, if you believe souls are energy then you must believe that human souls are not immortal because of entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics).”[/SIGN]
Does this sound about right?** 🤷
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qualities attributed to our spiritual soul are its being, wholeness, reason and will
one might think that because the soul animates the body,
that it might be some form of energy; but it isn’t

if you move about now
your soul is involved in that physical activity
your soul is animating your body
if you were to analyze the physical processes involved
you would see how they conform to physical laws
without any evidence of soul

funny how that works: real to you and i, but no evidence on the physical plane
because it is spiritual - outside of time and space - God’s spirit

as i see it, it’s as simple and as complex as that
 
Azygos said:
How do I phrase my writing correctly?
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All you need to say is the last part, “If you believe souls are energy then you must believe that human souls are not immortal because of entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics).”
 
Azygos said:
**People hold that the Human soul is pure energy…

This is my conclusion:
[SIGN]“A soul is not energy… A soul is immaterial and cannot be seen or tested. It doesn’t physically exist as energy or matter in the physical world. That is like saying mathematics or the laws of logic are energy… It is just not feasible.”[/SIGN]
Does this sound about right?** 🤷
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The human soul is actually an ideation. Its clever that you think of it as a sort of equation or syllogism, but, it still is a term that would have amused Wittgenstein…
 
WmJackP said:
The human soul is actually an ideation. Its clever that you think of it as a sort of equation or syllogism, but, it still is a term that would have amused Wittgenstein…
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The soul is the animating life-force behind a living organism. Plants have plant souls. Animals have animal souls. Humans have human souls. The Human souls are particularly different. We have spiritual souls which means we can accept beliefs and have belief systems. Animals cannot, believe in God or not believe in God. They simply don’t have the spiritual capacity to hold beliefs.

A dog has never looked at another dog and said, “Now tell me the Truth!”
 
Azygos said:
**People hold that the Human soul is pure energy…

This is my conclusion:
[sign]“A soul is not energy… A soul is immaterial and cannot be seen or tested. It doesn’t physically exist as energy or matter in the physical world. That is like saying mathematics or the laws of logic are energy… It is just not feasible. Also if souls are energy then entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) also applies and souls can degrade so no soul would be immortal. That’s called a Slippery Slope, if you believe souls are energy then you must believe that human souls are not immortal because of entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics).”[/sign]
Does this sound about right?** 🤷
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Perhaps you could simplify this argument. It should be enough to remember that, in effect, “energy” is another word for “mass” (according to mass-energy equivalence). I doubt that you will often meet someone who will want to claim that human soul is “pure mass” (whatever that would mean)… 🙂
 
Azygos said:
**People hold that the Human soul is pure energy…

This is my conclusion:
[SIGN]“A soul is not energy… A soul is immaterial and cannot be seen or tested. It doesn’t physically exist as energy or matter in the physical world. That is like saying mathematics or the laws of logic are energy… It is just not feasible. Also if souls are energy then entropy (2nd law of thermodynamics) also applies and souls can degrade so no soul would be immortal. That’s called a Slippery Slope, if you believe souls are energy then you must believe that human souls are not immortal because of entropy (2nd Law of Thermodynamics).”[/SIGN]
Does this sound about right?** 🤷
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Some of your ideas are excellent. Your ideas regarding the 2nd Law make sense, and your argument about entropy and immortality is quite innovative. You might want to take your ideas a few thoughts further, moving on to the inevitable question:* If the soul is not a form of energy, then what is it?*

Clearly the soul is not material. However, if it exists and interacts in any way with a human brain-body system, soul is physical by definition.

The best idea I’ve encountered on this subject, which is just one part of a larger theory about reality, is that the soul is a counterforce to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, a non-material Maxwellian daemon.
 
Foofaraw said:
. . . Clearly the soul is not material. However, if it exists and interacts in any way with a human brain-body system, soul is physical by definition. . .
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:twocents:

The soul, mind and body are one in the person. The soul does not interact with the body as the mind does not interact with the body. They are different aspects of our being, different ways we have of understanding our existence as persons.

The colour that you see is not produced by the flow of photons from your monitor to your retina and transmitted though various tracts to your cerebral cortex. It is that flow of photons . . . Your existence here and the fact that it is a whole, separate but a part of the rest of the cosmos, is not due to any interaction of any of these events. They are separate parts, separate systems which we understand as contributing to the totality, the whole that is the person.
 
Maybe the soul is a different kind of energy. Just because science has not yet found a way to measure it, doesn’t mean it can’t exist.

Science has found amazing ways to visualize the human brain without cutting into it. They have mapped motor functions, memories, senses - and measure the electricity of the synapses and chemical exchanges. If that is all there is, why can’t we explain why one person is kind and generous, while another is cruel? Siblings - even twins - that grow up with the same parents, same resources and access - but are distinctly unique, each with their own tastes and talents. The soul may not be measurable as yet, but the evidence of its existence - or in the case of sociopaths, the lack of one is palpable.
 
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