Is the 'Immaculate Heart of Mary Scapular' the Green Scapular?

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Hello!

My Muslim boyfriend said he might wear a green scapular if it didn’t have an image of Mary.

I have found a scapular called ‘Immaculate Heart of Mary Scapular’, which doesn’t have an image of her cenacle.co.uk/products.asp?recnumber=1898

But I can’t tell if it’s the green scapular. What do you think?

Thank you in advance!
 
That’s the White Scapular of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It is different from the Green Scapular (sometimes called the Scapular of Conversion).

From the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Scapulars:

"The Scapular of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

This scapular originated with the Sons of the lmmaculate Heart of Mary in 1877, and was sanctioned and endowed with indulgences by Pius IX on 11 May of that year. The scapular was later approved by the Congregation of Rites in 1907, and its form more exactly decreed; in the same year it was assigned new indulgences. The superior general of the above congregation can communicate to other priests the faculty of blessing and investing with this scapular (“Acta Pontificia”, Rome, March 1911, appendix). The scapular is of white woollen cloth: on the portion which hangs before the breast is represented the burning heart of Mary, out of which grows a lily; the heart is encircled by a wreath of roses and pierced with a sword."

A suggestion: You could always buy a Green Scapular and remove the picture of Our Lady;
 
Nowhere_Man said:
That’s the White Scapular of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It is different from the Green Scapular (sometimes called the Scapular of Conversion).

From the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Scapulars:

"The Scapular of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

This scapular originated with the Sons of the lmmaculate Heart of Mary in 1877, and was sanctioned and endowed with indulgences by Pius IX on 11 May of that year. The scapular was later approved by the Congregation of Rites in 1907, and its form more exactly decreed; in the same year it was assigned new indulgences. The superior general of the above congregation can communicate to other priests the faculty of blessing and investing with this scapular (“Acta Pontificia”, Rome, March 1911, appendix). The scapular is of white woollen cloth: on the portion which hangs before the breast is represented the burning heart of Mary, out of which grows a lily; the heart is encircled by a wreath of roses and pierced with a sword."

A suggestion: You could always buy a Green Scapular and remove the picture of Our Lady;
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Thank you for that information!. Removing the picture of Our Lady seems like a good idea, but is the picture a requirement? If I do this, I will do it before I have it blessed.
 
Thyme said:
Thank you for that information!. Removing the picture of Our Lady seems like a good idea, but is the picture a requirement? If I do this, I will do it before I have it blessed.
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The picture was on the original Scapular given to Sister Justine Bisqueyburu, but I’m sure Our Lady’s intercession would be no less powerful without the image. Have you looked at the website of the green Scapular Society? greenscapular.com/
 
Nowhere_Man said:
The picture was on the original Scapular given to Sister Justine Bisqueyburu, but I’m sure Our Lady’s intercession would be no less powerful without the image. Have you looked at the website of the green Scapular Society? greenscapular.com/
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Thank you.

I looked at that site and Mary said, "This scapular is not like others (it is not the clothing-habit of a confraternity) but merely two holy pictures on a single piece of material. ".

To me it seems like it must have two holy pictures but all of them have pictures of Mary on them.
 
the green scapular doesn’t need to be worn.can be left in someone’s room even without their knoweledge. as for picture on or off, personnally i would be uneasy about taking the image of mary off anything and then asking for her help. it borders also as treating it as a lucky charm.
be careful with this it’s not a lucky charm it’s a sign of your confidence in mary to interced with Christ on your behalf .
 
saveusfromhell said:
the green scapular doesn’t need to be worn.can be left in someone’s room even without their knoweledge. as for picture on or off, personnally i would be uneasy about taking the image of mary off anything and then asking for her help. it borders also as treating it as a lucky charm.
be careful with this it’s not a lucky charm it’s a sign of your confidence in mary to interced with Christ on your behalf .
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He comes from a Muslim family (and I am female) so cannot enter his house because his parents wouldn’t approve of us being friends. I have considered somehow hiding it in a pocket in his bag but am worried he will find it and take offence.

However… I have recently started knitting lol. He asked me to make him something one day. Maybe I could do a double-layered scarf and knit the scapular inside :p. I’ll tell him that it can only be wiped clean. I’m assuming the devotion will still be valid if he doesn’t always wear the scarf.
 
Thyme said:
However… I have recently started knitting lol. He asked me to make him something one day. Maybe I could do a double-layered scarf and knit the scapular inside :p. I’ll tell him that it can only be wiped clean. I’m assuming the devotion will still be valid if he doesn’t always wear the scarf.
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That sounds like an excellent idea! 👍
 
saveusfromhell said:
the green scapular doesn’t need to be worn.can be left in someone’s room even without their knoweledge. as for picture on or off, personnally i would be uneasy about taking the image of mary off anything and then asking for her help. it borders also as treating it as a lucky charm.
be careful with this it’s not a lucky charm it’s a sign of your confidence in mary to interced with Christ on your behalf .
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And it assumes that you pray regularly for its effectiveness.
 
To the OP:
Something about this bothers me.

Why would a Muslim want to carry a scapular?

And if he is willing to wear it or carry it because of a budding interest in Christianity and Christian practices, why would you want to hide it in a scarf without telling him?

If it is a devotional, a sacramental, it should require his knowing and willing participation.

If you want to pray that the Holy Spirit open his heart to the Truth, fine, I think it’s important and worthwhile. That would be your doing, and you should carry the scapular and (just like you say) pray the rosary on his behalf.
 
Hesychios said:
To the OP:
Something about this bothers me.

Why would a Muslim want to carry a scapular?

And if he is willing to wear it or carry it because of a budding interest in Christianity and Christian practices, why would you want to hide it in a scarf without telling him?

If it is a devotional, a sacramental, it should require his knowing and willing participation.

If you want to pray that the Holy Spirit open his heart to the Truth, fine, I think it’s important and worthwhile. That would be your doing, and you should carry the scapular and (just like you say) pray the rosary on his behalf.
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He said he would wear one to make me happier.

Here is a summary of the story of the green scapular and why I would hide it:
Clothed with the habit, on September 8, 1840, feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin, Sister Bisqueyburu was favored during prayer with an apparition of the Mother of God, who held in her right hand her Heart surrounded by flames, and in her left a sort of scapular, consisting of a single piece of green cloth suspended from a cord of the same color. On one side was a picture of the Blessed Virgin as she had shown herself in the apparitions; on the other, a Heart all inflamed with rays more brilliant than the sun, and clearer than crystal. This heart pierced with a sword was surrounded by an oval inscription, surmounted by a cross. The inscription read: “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.” At the same time an interior voice revealed to the Sister the meaning of this vision. She understood that this new Scapular, through the medium of the Sisters of Charity, would contribute to the conversion of those who have no faith, and above all, procure for them a happy death, and that it should be distributed with confidence. As the scapular was distributed, wonderful conversions and some bodily cures were produced.
The Scapular is not the badge of a confraternity but simply a double image attached to a single piece of cloth and suspended from a cord. The Blessed Virgin declared to her faithful servant that no special formula of blessing was necessary. It suffices that it be blessed by a priest and worn by the one for whom it is intended. It may be placed in the clothing, on the bed, or simply in the room. The only prayer to be recited is the inscription surrounding the heart on the reverse of the Scapular: “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.” This should be repeated daily, if not by the one wearing it, by the one giving it. The Scapular may be distributed everywhere. Although wonderful graces are attached to it, they are proportionate to the confidence with which it is given. The Green Scapular was twice approved by Pope Pius IX, in 1863, and again in 1870 when he said: “Write to these good Sisters that I authorize them to make and distribute it.”
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I do believe in the green scapular. I would be waking up with numbness every time I slept if I never followed this devotion 🙂
 
The Green Scapular is wonderful for conversions! And since a person doesn’t have to carry it, it could simply be kept by that person about the house, known or unknown, it’s very useful that way - you would simply pray the prayer for his conversion after giving it to him to keep but not wear, overtly or not.

Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.

If he can’t get over images in regarding to wearing a scapular, also the brown scapular is useful here for conversion… the brown scapular has no required image for it, it can just be plain brown, or have St. Michael, or any sort of Catholic religious image on it. 😃

So you could doubly work for his conversion with him wearing the Brown Scapular, and having the Green Scapular.

😃
 
Thyme said:
He said he would wear one to make me happier.

Here is a summary of the story of the green scapular and why I would hide it:
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I read the gloss you provided and I did not see anything that suggests the scapular was normally hidden, or should be hidden.

I am glad that he has agreed to wear it, but I wonder if he understands why you want him to wear it.
 
Hesychios said:
I read the gloss you provided and I did not see anything that suggests the scapular was normally hidden, or should be hidden.

I am glad that he has agreed to wear it, but I wonder if he understands why you want him to wear it.
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Sorry, I was tired so didn’t check it properly. But Mary did say that you can slip it into someone’s clothing or room if they’re not a Christian and say the prayer on their behalf.

Well, he knows that after wearing it, my numbness has gone and believes in Our Lady of Fatima, so he’s open-minded and accepts Christian apparitions. Mary said that those who keep the devotion and remain faithful will have a happy death. It’s not just for healing and conversion.
 
Hi Thyme

I am really impressed that you wish to share your faith with your boyfriend, not too many young people today feel as you do:thumbsup:. I appreciate the comments that others have made of this thread but in my reply I would rather focus on the bigger picture.

ANY scapular your boyfriend would be open to wearing, provided it has been blessed, that you present it to him with the appropriate reverence and from which he can see your devotion to Christ, is sufficient to ensure that grace your boyfriend needs in his faith journey toward Christ:).

Particularly now in the post-conciliar Church the particular traditions attached to separate scapulars would be helpful to know but irrelevant in action:blush:. Christ knows your faith, he knows of your intention to see to the conversion of your boyfriend and provided you maintain by your life style an example of your faith, the graces that would flow from the scapular toward your boyfriend would be the same irrespective of which scapular is used.

Let me give you a simple example: We all know that St. Christopher is the Patron Saint of Travellers. Many Catholics would wish to place some kind of medal of him in their car for this reason. My mother has a medal of St. Dominic Savio in her car, given that our family has traditionally strong links to the Salesian Order. The medal is blest and she has a strong devotion to St. John Bosco (who was St. Dominic Savio’s teacher). I have no doubt that her travel would be any “less blest” than would be if the medal were of St. Christopher. We believe in the Communion of Saints not the Competition of Saints.

To hold that particular scapulars obtain specific indulgences that others do not or that they need to be blest by priests from a particular order or even by a particular prayer-formula is simply irrelevant:rolleyes:. It is important that they be blest, that you use them with devotion and that your lifestyle is one of Christian virtue. The intentions you have are known to God even without you asking them and you can rest assured that he will supply the graces needed according to his will.

Stay Blest!

Rev. Fr. Ashley G. Frank
 
Thyme said:
But I can’t tell if it’s the green scapular. What do you think?

Thank you in advance!
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I always thought so.

When I bought my home, I found a green scapular with a picture of Mary with text about the Immaculate Conception.

(I told the previous owner of the house who was living next door until he got sent upstate about the scapular and the old bible I found, he said it wasn’t his and was there when he bought the home)
 
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