Is the Kolbe Center legitimate?

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A few days ago, a fellow catholic homeschool mom recommended the catholic online community check out Kolbe Center. Upon doing so, I was stunned to find the following statement:

"All statements by Church leaders favorable to evolution have been
non-authoritative or ambiguous. Catholics are obliged to hold fast to the
traditional doctrine of creation as it was handed down from the Apostles and to
pray that the Magisterium will re-affirm the traditional doctrine of creation as
soon as possible, for the good of souls and for the benefit of all the sciences.
(This quote is taken in the section titled: “In Conclusion” at the end of their
article titled: “The Traditional Catholic Doctrine of Creation”
kolbecenter.org/?s=creationism+vs+evolution
This prompted me to do some research on many leading authorities of the church
–documents written about this very topic.

Mary Daly, author of “Creation vs. Creationism” writes: "St. Augustine was of the opinion that we should not expose the gospel to
ridicule by claiming that it teaches things about the physical world which
unbelievers will certainly regard as false, even obviously false. Cardinal
Schönborn (the major editor of the Catechism) thinks it invites ridicule to
express the opinion that the earth is 6,000 years old. "

(If you go to the
Ignatius Press website
ignatius.com/Products/CHAPUR-H/chance-or-purpose.aspx and look at
their review and promotion of Cardinal Schönborn’s book, “Chance or Purpose,”
you will find that he minces no words in rejecting the short time frame espoused
by the creationist community.)
In his encyclical, Humani Generis,
newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12hg.htm

Pius XII stated that there was
no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith. In an address
that Pope John Paul II gave to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in Oct. 1996,
he stated, "Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical
[Humani Generis],
new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than
a hypothesis. newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

These are hardly considered “non-authoritative” Church leaders.

After talking with Al Kresta on his show yesterday, he shared his disappointment
in hearing the impact Kolbe Center is having on the Catholic community. He said,
“It is imperitve that people realize Kolbe Center is NOT scientific in any way, shape
or form. They are doing a terrible disservice to science and to catholic homeschooling families.”

Indeed it is. I contacted Seton & asked about what they are using to teach science and what resources they recommend to families. I was SHOCKED to find out they are using anti-Catholic science books: Abeka & Bob Jones (they even go as far as covering that up on their website). The gentleman recommended: "Kolbe Center because they are loyal to the magisterium and the teachings of the catholic church!!! "

A few families wrote to me–telling me they are very concerned b/c Kolbe Center is giving talks in their parishes telling people this IS Catholic doctrine. :confused:
 
I’ve wondered about this myself, from a Catholic perspective, think they’re fine as any other orthodox Christian one.
 
Interesting…I haven’t heard any bad things about them. Most of the moms I know use Seton. You might want to check that one out instead. Another one that I heard good things about is Catholic Heritage Curricula.
 
Do you know where the Kolbe Center is located? Do they have any connection to the Kolbe Academy Homeschool or day school in California?
 
Are you sure you weren’t referred to Kolbe Academy? This is a homeschool curriculum provider. The center is not. I do not know the academy’s stance on evolution.

Seton has made similar statements regarding the sciences as the center. There seems to be a lot of this reactionary treatment among Christian homeschooling in general. :sad_ yes:

If you are writing your own curriculum, you would be free to choose something from a secular publisher.
 
†JMJ†

Pius XII stated that there was
no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith. In an address
that Pope John Paul II gave to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in Oct. 1996,
he stated, "Today, almost half a century after the publication of the encyclical
[Humani Generis],
new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than
a hypothesis. newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

These are hardly considered “non-authoritative” Church leaders.
Obviously, someone has quoted Pius XII without reading the link and without checking the original source. :eek:

No wonder Catholics cannot explain the difference between the material world and the spiritual world when it comes to Divine Revelation and God’s gift of natural science.:o
 
Is the Kolbe Center legitimate?
I cannot speak as to their position within Catholicism. Their science is appallingly bad and should be completely ignored.

Unfortunately there is currently a temporary ban on discussing evolution so I cannot go into details.

If your home-schooling friend teaches her child using this stuff there is a danger that once the child learns the truth of the sciences of cosmology, astronomy, geology, archaeology and biology that child may reject everything else s/he learned in homeschool. That would be a pity.

rossum
 
Obviously, someone has quoted Pius XII without reading the link and without checking the original source. :eek:

No wonder Catholics cannot explain the difference between the material world and the spiritual world when it comes to Divine Revelation and God’s gift of natural science.:o
I double-checked, and I was, indeed, providing a link to the John Paul II’s talk he gave in '96 to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. It was he, who, in paragraph 3, quoted Humani Generis. With all due respect, it is YOU who did not read it correctly. God Bless you! 🙂
 
I cannot speak as to their position within Catholicism. Their science is appallingly bad and should be completely ignored.

Unfortunately there is currently a temporary ban on discussing evolution so I cannot go into details.

If your home-schooling friend teaches her child using this stuff there is a danger that once the child learns the truth of the sciences of cosmology, astronomy, geology, archaeology and biology that child may reject everything else s/he learned in homeschool. That would be a pity.

rossum
Scare tactics.

Ed
 
I double-checked, and I was, indeed, providing a link to the John Paul II’s quote. With all due respect, it is YOU who did not read it correctly. God Bless you! 🙂
The quote you refer to does not just consist of one line which the pagan/secular press immediately “reinterpreted” to their liking.

Peace,
Ed
 
Are you sure you weren’t referred to Kolbe Academy? This is a homeschool curriculum provider. The center is not. I do not know the academy’s stance on evolution…
Yes, I am sure. I was asking for a website to help me understand the science curriculum that Seton is providing, and they referred me to the Kolbe Center & provided the website.

Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
I cannot speak as to their position within Catholicism. Their science is appallingly bad and should be completely ignored.

Unfortunately there is currently a temporary ban on discussing evolution so I cannot go into details.

If your home-schooling friend teaches her child using this stuff there is a danger that once the child learns the truth of the sciences of cosmology, astronomy, geology, archaeology and biology that child may reject everything else s/he learned in homeschool. That would be a pity.

rossum
“Temporary ban on discussing evolution???”
I can’t help but wonder WHY??? This sounds no different than public schools that ban any talk of God!!!
 
I have used CHC, Seton and Kolbe Academy over the last several years of homeschooling. Honestly, I like Kolbe Academy the best. That’s why I was wondering about the Kolbe Center. It’s funny, Kolbe Academy uses secular science textbooks instead of Abeka or Bob Jones like Seton does. They do put in the lessons plans anything that contradicts Church teaching though.
 
The Seton rep told me that they “catholicize” Abeka & Bob Jones, but— I asked— how can you say that you’re loyal to the magisterium if you are using materials that are vehemently anti-Catholic! He said Seton had no other choice! Too many parents were
writing to them complaining about Harcourt science being anti-God.

This homeschool
journey has been a bumpy one. I started 1 1/2 years ago. Started off picking and choosing, but, with a very busy toddler, it’s been… quite difficult.

So, I’ve been researching, trying to decide between Seton, Kolbe & Our
Lady of Victory. After talking to SEton rep, I’ve definitely decided AGAINST Seton (which–shocked me, b/c I was leaning more towards them, originally).

Now, I’m down to Kolbe & OLV, leaning towards
Kolbe.
If you don’t mind my asking, why do you like Kolbe the best??
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I greatly appreciate it.
 
Kolbe has been very flexible. I do admit that I am not opposed to the Harcourt science books, I have never found them to be anti-God. Kolbe’s lesson plans are very well laid out. They allow the parents to substitute any materials they choose, as long as the student can pass the Kolbe test that goes along with the subjects. You only need to report once a year for elementary, and all that is required is one written sample for each subject and final grade given by the parents for each subject you want them to keep record of for you. I am able to do lots of field trips and hands on lessons with books that I check out of tge library instead of needing to buy ALL the books they ask for which is a huge benefit in a family with 8 kids. I can focus on teaching versus always checking in with grades. To ne that is how homeschooling is supposed to be.

I do use Seton with my oldest still in school. He’s an Army brat with his heart set on West Point. Seton does have a great record of getting students into the uniformed service academies, and they now have a new program specifically for those kids. For the most part I do like them. But for most of my kids Kolbe has been a perfect match. I also have used some of CHC. I do have the kids still take the Kolbe tests and Kolbe keeps their records for me. Each of my kids are different. What works well for one won’t work for another. That’s the best part of homeschooling. If you PM me I can give you more specifics or answer any questions you have. Two of my school age kids are LD (one Asperger’s, one dislexic) and the flexibility at Kolbe has made it possible for us to get them on and keep them on grade level in most subjects.
 
I double-checked, and I was, indeed, providing a link to the John Paul II’s talk he gave in '96 to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. It was he, who, in paragraph 3, quoted Humani Generis. With all due respect, it is YOU who did not read it correctly. God Bless you! 🙂
This is the complete quote from the link in post 1 newadvent.org/library/docs_jp02tc.htm

“In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII had already stated that there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith about man and his vocation, on condition that one did not lose sight of several indisputable points.”

This is the truncated quote which appeared in post 1.
“Pius XII stated that there was no opposition between evolution and the doctrine of the faith.”

May I gently suggest that there is a difference between what appeared in post 1 and what appeared in its link to the “Address of Pope John Paul II to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences (October 22, 1996)” Section 3, second paragraph.
 
OLV is very rigid from what I’ve been told. They are supposed to have an excellent history program. I have never used them so I don’t know for sure. Our Lady of the Rosary is another program I don’t know much about but my neighbor loves them. She says all text books are Catholic, but once again I haven’t used them so I’m not sure.
 
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