Is the Mass Idolatry?

[Usagi]

I am really disappointed by the failure to interact with the issue.

Listen everyone, and hear-

“Are the accidents of bread and wine taken into the Godhead or not?”

If yes, where is this taught? If no, where is this taught?

I have never heard it taught that they are, so I’m going to say no, though I don’t have a citation for you.

Everything sensible in the Eucharist is not Christ- he is not the taste of wheat, he is not the taste of wine, he is not the feel of bread, he is not the wetness of wine, he is not the infinitesimal division of particle from particle, he is not anything apprehended by the senses at all-

What then does it mean to worship those things that ARE apprehended by the senses???

Do you worship the whiteness and roundness of the wafer? Do you worship that which tastes of wine?

Do you worship the outward sensible exterior things?

No. We do not worship roundness or whiteness or any other accidents.

You may be equivocating here by asking if we worship exterior “things,” The accidents held in existence after the consecration are not “things.” There’s no “thing” there except God, and God is what we adore.

And if you don’t…why do you mingle these things with the worship of the hidden Christ? Why?

I do not understand this part of your question. We do not worship the accidents, therefore there is no mingling or confusion in what we worship. We worship Christ as we always do, but in this case we know (by His own words) that He is present in a unique way in connection with the appearances of bread and wine, and so we direct our adoration there.

 

[Usagi]

It is a symbol (hence solid bread for flesh and red, liquid wine for blood), but as with all the sacraments the thing symbolized also actually happens. “More than a symbol” is exactly correct.

 

[Usagi]

The description is of the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, in which the bread and wine visibly became flesh and blood (and were reverently preserved rather than consumed, for that very reason).

In the ordinary course of things, the bread and wine become the whole and living Christ when consecrated, not pieces of him that can be chewed up and digested.

 

[AlNg]

The description is of the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, in which the bread and wine visibly became flesh and blood (and were reverently preserved rather than consumed, for that very reason).

In the ordinary course of things, the bread and wine become the whole and living Christ when consecrated, not pieces of him that can be chewed up and digested.

If it happened then, how do you know that it is not happening now at least in certain areas and under certain conditions.

 

[thequeen]

It is more than just a symbol AINg. It is the authentic body and blood of our Saviour. He even said so himself in John Chapter 6. You are receiving both his precious body and his precious blood even if you only receive from the chalice and some have to receive that way because they have a condition which will not allow them to consume wheat. It sounds like your thinking is on the right track AINg.