Is the Mormon God/Heavenly Father described in the Bible?

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Is this one of the things that separates the LDS Creed from the Creeds of some other Christian Churches?
1voice,

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has 13 “articles of faith” that would probably be considered by other people to be a “creed” of beliefs. Those articles of faith talk about having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, and the person who was baptized receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Those beliefs are straight from the New Testament, as are the beliefs that Jesus wants to “shepherd” or “lead” each of His followers so that He can prepare them through His atoning grace and through their personal repentance, to be one with Him and with Father in Heaven. One of the beliefs says “we believe the Bible to be the word of God”, so that would mean that since the belief in becoming one with Him and with the Father is taught clearly in the Bible, then we certainly believe it to be true.

As far as I have seen and read, that particular belief does indeed separate the LDS Church “from the creeds of some other Christian churches.” Markedly so.
 
Jesus Christ would never contradict His apostles and their teachings, and yet this is what Mormonism is proposing as well as the great apostasy…when in real life just the example of Christians were of great witness to the pagans…literally laying down their lives for them…not to gain converts…but to live the Gospel.

To say the early Church was corrupt in doctrine, historically, just doesn’t carry any weight.
Unfortunately, any Restorationist group isn’t going to care about that. IMO, they take advantage of people’s ignorance in the realms of theology, history, and even common sense/reason. The Seventh-Day Adventists claim that everyone - Protestants, Catholics, Orthodox, everyone - who goes to church on Sunday is following the Beast. JW’s have somehow successfully resurrected Arianism. Mormons teach all sorts of unorthodox doctrines, too many to list. Christadelphians, if I can remember correctly, teach that there is no such thing as Satan.
But all of them hold that the church fell into apostasy - all our saints, our martyrs, our apologists, our doctors, all of them were wrong. All of them were heretics, apostates, pagans in disguise, you name it.
Christ founded a church that fell so fast it was ridiculous. Christ then resurrected the “true” church in the 1800’s - most Restorationist groups are from this era. What an inept founder then would be Christ. With what ineptness did the Apostles keep the flame of the Gospel alive!
This is what we are to believe if we accept the teachings of the Restorationists.

I prefer to cling to Christ and to the Church He founded. I prefer ancient Christianity, the kind that people died for, the kind that spread all over the world through the efforts of countless holy men and women. That kind.
Not some hokey prophet/prophetess’ supposed visions, not a church that has no foundation for its beliefs, not a church that changes at random. Period.
 
And so it seems to be…

Your description provides another reason why Christ Himself established His Church.

Christ came not to condemn but to offer us eternal life. His Church’s perfection is found in the reality of Christ Himself…not those appealing to fancy or self-aggrandizement.
 
And so it seems to be…

Your description provides another reason why Christ Himself established His Church.

Christ came not to condemn but to offer us eternal life. His Church’s perfection is found in the reality of Christ Himself…not those appealing to fancy or self-aggrandizement.
Amen.:heaven:
 
The Mormon Church has of thousands of ignorant young boys traveling the world claiming that God said:

Let’s examine this statement. Webster’s New World College Dictionary defines abomination as

The same dictionary defines professor as

The dictionary defines corrupt as

Here is the Nicene Creed, the most-often recited Christian Creed and the one I as a Catholic profess:

Now tell me, you Mormons, what part of my creed is filthy, hateful and disgusting?

What about this creed makes me, a professor of this creed, rotten, morally debased, perverted, evil and depraved?

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
I love the new improved true to the Latin translation of the creed.

New Roman Missal - Nicene Creed

Every Sunday we make a solemn profession of our faith by reciting the Nicene Creed. It is a summary of faith expressed by the Councils of Nicaea (325 A.D.) and the Council of Constantinople (381 A.D.). It has been an essential element of the Sunday Liturgy since the Sixth Century.

The purpose of this Profession of Faith is to allow the gathered people an opportunity to respond to the Word of God that was proclaimed in the readings. It also calls to mind the great mysteries of our faith that we will celebrate in the Liturgy of the Eucharist.

The New translation of the Nicene Creed contains a few new words that will once again challenge us, so it will take a little getting used to before it becomes familiar. One of those words is “consubstantial” which professes that Jesus and the Father are of one substance, One God.

Another word that will challenge us in the Creed is “incarnate”; this too reveals that Jesus the Son of God was given a human body through the motherhood of the Blessed Virgin Mary. You will also notice when we begin the creed we will be using the singular pronoun “I” instead of “We”. This change is calling us to make a personal profession of our faith.

** New Missal Translation - Nicene Creed **

I believe in one God, the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial
with the Father;
Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate
of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
Code:
For our sake he was crucified
  under Pontius Pilate,
    he suffered death and was buried,
    and rose again on the third day
    in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
    and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
    to judge the living and the dead
    and his kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son
is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic,
and apostolic Church.
I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection
of the dead and the life of the world to come.
Amen.

When I first became Catholic the pastor at our church would say it is not WE Believe it is I Believe and that is the way he taught me in RCIA. 😃

I had a customer in my store the other day. Older lady and I asked her how she like the new corrected translation. She said “It takes me back to my childhood. This is the way it was then.”
 
1voice,

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has 13 “articles of faith” that would probably be considered by other people to be a “creed” of beliefs. Those articles of faith talk about having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, and the person who was baptized receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Those beliefs are straight from the New Testament, as are the beliefs that Jesus wants to “shepherd” or “lead” each of His followers so that He can prepare them through His atoning grace and through their personal repentance, to be one with Him and with Father in Heaven. One of the beliefs says “we believe the Bible to be the word of God”, so that would mean that since the belief in becoming one with Him and with the Father is taught clearly in the Bible, then we certainly believe it to be true.

As far as I have seen and read, that particular belief does indeed separate the LDS Church “from the creeds of some other Christian churches.” Markedly so.
What is the LDS source text for the belief that there will the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent.
 
1voice,

… having faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins, and the person who was baptized receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Those beliefs are straight from the New Testament, as are the beliefs that Jesus wants to “shepherd” or “lead” each of His followers so that He can prepare them through His atoning grace and through their personal repentance, to be one with Him and with Father in Heaven. One of the beliefs says “we believe the Bible to be the word of God”, so that would mean that since the belief in becoming one with Him and with the Father is taught clearly in the Bible, then we certainly believe it to be true.

As far as I have seen and read, that particular belief does indeed separate the LDS Church “from the creeds of some other Christian churches.” Markedly so.
I agree …There are some Christian Churches that do not hold strictly to Baptism by immersion … although Baptism with water is perfumed in almost all Christian churches.
Other than that specific point I see no place in your above statement that contradicts the beliefs of most Christian Churches.
 
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ParkerD:
Those beliefs are straight from the New Testament, as are the beliefs that Jesus wants to “shepherd” or “lead” each of His followers so that He can prepare them through His atoning grace and through their personal repentance, to be one with Him and with Father in Heaven. One of the beliefs says “we believe the Bible to be the word of God”, so that would mean that since the belief in becoming one with Him and with the Father is taught clearly in the Bible, then we certainly believe it to be true.

As far as I have seen and read, that particular belief does indeed separate the LDS Church “from the creeds of some other Christian churches.” Markedly so.
You think Christian don’t believe we will be one with the Father and Jesus in heaven?
 
What specific things are included in the LDS creed that cause it to be acceptable to Jesus and not an abomination?

Are there specific examples of error in other creeds that Joseph Smith pointed to in order to support his belief?

Individuals can believe things that contradict their church’s creed … and thus be in error with respect to their church’s creed. I am not referring to Individual interpretation. I am referring to what Joseph Smith meant when he compared the LDS Creed to those of all other Christian Churches.
How, specifically, does the LDS Church creed allow a person to approach God in a way that is not allowed by the creeds of other Christian Churches? … to the point that Joseph Smith believed, definitively, that all other Christian Creeds were an abomination?
1voice, Let me simply speak of one. It is encompassed in this scripture,“And this is life eternal, that they might know the the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3).

“It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another,…” (Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 345) This one belief flies in the face of historical Christianity. Yet how can a man approach God if he does not even correctly know whom he worships? And unless one knows, “It does not matter one particle how sincerely someone may believe that God is a golden calf, or that he is an immaterial, uncreated power that is in all things; the worship of such a being or concept has no saving power… But if he worships the true and living God, in spirit and in truth, then God Almighty will pour out his Spirit upon him” (How to Worship, Bruce R. McConkie, Ensign Dec 1971) We say man can converse with God and all other creeds say “no”. And this is simply one aspect of the first principle.
 
1voice, Let me simply speak of one. It is encompassed in this scripture,“And this is life eternal, that they might know the the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3).

It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another,…” (Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 345) This one belief flies in the face of historical Christianity. Yet how can a man approach God if he does not even correctly know whom he worships? And unless one knows, “It does not matter one particle how sincerely someone may believe that God is a golden calf, or that he is an immaterial, uncreated power that is in all things; the worship of such a being or concept has no saving power… But if he worships the true and living God, in spirit and in truth, then God Almighty will pour out his Spirit upon him” (How to Worship, Bruce R. McConkie, Ensign Dec 1971) We say man can converse with God and all other creeds say “no”. And this is simply one aspect of the first principle.
The King Follet sermon, where Joseph Smith tells us God was not always God.
Joseph Smith's King Follet Sermon:
In order to understand the subject of the dead, for consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary we should understand the character and being of God and how He came to be so; for** I am going to tell you how God came to be God**. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see
And this:
Joseph Smith's King Follet Sermon:
My Father worked out His kingdom with fear and trembling, and I must do the same; and when I get my kingdom, I shall present it to My Father, so that He may obtain kingdom upon kingdom, and it will exalt Him in glory. He will then take a higher exaltation, and I will take His place, and thereby become exalted myself
 
Janderich,
We do know the God we worship. Just because God is not a flesh and blood former human with a Goddess Mother for a wife doesn’t mean we don’t know whom we worship, nor does it mean that God is distant from us.
The essence of the Trinity may be distant, in a sense, from our understanding, but this is precisely what is so wonderful about Jesus - He humbles Himself daily, giving Himself to us in the Eucharist. There is no way to be closer to God than that, if you believe in traditional orthodox Christianity.
This whole distant God thing is ridiculous - God became man in orthodox Christianity. He is not distant - you are completely forgetting the Incarnation and what it means for us Christians and for all of humanity, instead focusing on the essence of the Trinity as if there was no Incarnation, no God becoming man in the stream of time.
 
1voice, Let me simply speak of one. It is encompassed in this scripture,“And this is life eternal, that they might know the the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent” (John 17:3).

“It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another,…” (Teaching of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p 345) This one belief flies in the face of historical Christianity. Yet how can a man approach God if he does not even correctly know whom he worships? And unless one knows, “It does not matter one particle how sincerely someone may believe that God is a golden calf, or that he is an immaterial, uncreated power that is in all things; the worship of such a being or concept has no saving power… But if he worships the true and living God, in spirit and in truth, then God Almighty will pour out his Spirit upon him” (How to Worship, Bruce R. McConkie, Ensign Dec 1971) We say man can converse with God and all other creeds say “no”. And this is simply one aspect of the first principle.
All other Creeds?
On what ground does Bruce R McConkie base his blanket statement?
In response to him I would say…
I, personally, know many, many Christians from a wide range of denominational backgrounds, over many years… that have a deep, abiding, personal, intimate relationship with God.
I know that I know that I know … that I have that kind of relationship with my Savior Jesus, the Christ … Halleluia!! 🙂 … He is my best friend! Closer than any brother! They might steal my car… steal my shoes… rob my wallet and sing the blues … but no one will ever separate me from what I know in my heart! Jus cant!!! … 😉 👍
 
What is the LDS source text for
(1) the belief that there will the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes;
(2) that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent.
1voice,

(1) There are many such prophetic statements in the Old Testament, which the LDS church believes is not “finished” being fulfilled, in that there are still gatherings taking place. A great source text is in Isaiah 11:10-16. Another good one is in Hosea 1:10 and 11 and Hosea 3:4 and 5, about the gathering of Israel (including the “children of Judah” and the “children of Israel” or of the northern kingdom which is also called “Ephraim”). Jerusalem will be restored to its former greatness at some point in the Millenium.

(2) The source texts are Isaiah 2:2 and 3 and Genesis 49:22-26, wherein the descendants of Joseph (“whose branches run over the wall”) were to be blessed “unto the utmost bounds of the everlasting hills.”
 
All other Creeds?
On what ground does Bruce R McConkie base his blanket statement?
Obviously he was taught these things, you can see the same distortion of the faith of others in Parker’s post 101 and Janderich’s post 110
 
1voice,

(1) There are many such prophetic statements in the Old Testament, which the LDS church believes is not “finished” being fulfilled, in that there are still gatherings taking place. A great source text is in Isaiah 11:10-16. Another good one is in Hosea 1:10 and 11 and Hosea 3:4 and 5, about the gathering of Israel (including the “children of Judah” and the “children of Israel” or of the northern kingdom which is also called “Ephraim”). Jerusalem will be restored to its former greatness at some point in the Millenium.

(2) The source texts are Isaiah 2:2 and 3 and Genesis 49:22-26, wherein the descendants of Joseph (“whose branches run over the wall”) were to be blessed “unto the utmost bounds of the everlasting hills.”
Thank you…🙂
What is the source text for …
(2) that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent.
 
Obviously he was taught these things, you can see the same distortion of the faith of others in Parker’s post 101 and Janderich’s post 110
Zaffiroborant,

During the conversation about “polytheism”, I reiterated over and over that being one with the Savior and with God the Father is not being polytheistic, but does mean becoming “one” with Them, becoming a “son of God” and a “joint heir with Christ” including being a “king” with what John described as a “throne” (meaning ruling in a real capacity, in total righteousness, with the kind of love God has and the kind of faith necessary to command matter and energy).

I have repeatedly seen the belief that “the created cannot become a creator”, and the scoffing at a belief in being glorified or being made “ruler over many things; enter thou into the joy of thy Lord”. It is not a distortion–it is what has been written by others in posts directed to me, many times in this forum.
 
Thank you…🙂
What is the source text for …
(2) that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent.
1voice,

The source texts were those I listed as item (2). “branches run over the wall” means “scattered across to the other side of the ocean”–the ocean being the “wall”.

“Out of Zion shall go forth the law” has to do with “the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains” (Isaiah 2:3 and 2), and that ties back to Genesis 49:26 with the words “utmost bound of the everlasting hills”.
 
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