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hasantas
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All things were made, came into being through The Word of God.
Jesus is called as word of God. That is true.
But those do not point that God has three persons! And Trinity was not revealed by God!
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Jesus is called as word of God. That is true.
But those do not point that God has three persons! And Trinity was not revealed by God!
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hasantas
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And also Jesus were made(born as a miracle) through Word of God.
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Perplexity
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If the Father is perfectly simple, he has no communicable being or nature, for all that is in the Father just is the Father. Must the Trinitarian say that the Father is not simple, but that God is?
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Kliska
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Jesus is the Word of God. Holy Scripture contained in the Bible is the word of God. They aren’t “called” that, it is what they intrinsically are.All things were made, came into being through The Word of God.
Jesus is called as word of God. That is true.
The fundamental difference here is that we believe the scriptures of the Holy Bible have not been tampered with, they have not been tweaked over time, we believe they are internally and externally consistent, historically accurate, prophetically accurate, and can pass secular text. crit. They are the word of God, and they reveal that God is echad; He is One. He is One from plurality. God indeed has revealed His triune nature of Father, Son, and Spirit. God is Love, God is eternal, love is relationship, and to have relationship is to have more than one person involved eternally. To deny the Son is to deny the Father, and we are all called to admit that Jesus is Lord with all that implies.
Prayers for you,
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AmbroseSJ
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You may not realize it, but your comments are outside the scope of this thread. This thread presupposes the Trinity at True. The question which is the focus of this thread is whether “the One God” is the person of the Father in the Trinity, or the entire Trinity itself.All things were made, came into being through The Word of God.
Jesus is called as word of God. That is true.
But those do not point that God has three persons! And Trinity was not revealed by God!
As I said before you are way out of your depth here, and unfortunately you are diverting the focus of this thread away from its true question.
You may start your own thread on the Truth of the Trinity if that helps.
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eddie_too
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Jesus said He and the Father are One. Jesus also said He is not the Father.
Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit who would reveal a deeper understanding of all that Jesus taught.
the doctrine of One God and Three Divine Persons was given to the apostles directly from Jesus.
Jesus said He would send the Holy Spirit who would reveal a deeper understanding of all that Jesus taught.
the doctrine of One God and Three Divine Persons was given to the apostles directly from Jesus.
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Darryl_B
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The question would be so much easier if the creed said
But there are three specific actors of creation.
the Father (Almighty) maker of all things
the Son (Lord) by whom all things are made
the Holy Spirit (Lord) giver of Life
Full stop End of Creed.
But there are three specific actors of creation.
the Father (Almighty) maker of all things
the Son (Lord) by whom all things are made
the Holy Spirit (Lord) giver of Life
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hasantas
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“He is One from plurality.”
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hasantas
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“the Son (Lord) by whom all things are made”
So Son is not the one who do/create freely by Himself but something as intermediary.
The fact is that: Son is named “word of God” and that is meatphorical. And all things are made through word of God but not through Son. Otherwise Torah is also word of God!
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Kliska
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If I have a braid, I have three strands, one braid, all the same substance. God is one.“He is One from plurality.”
You’re adding to the scripture of God as it is written. The Son is not “named” word of God. The Son is the Word of God. He is the Word of God become flesh, as it is written. No metaphor.
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Darryl_B
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Meat indeed.
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PluniaZ
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Arianism is creeping up in an alarming manner in multiple different places today. On the one side you have evangelicals like Wayne Grudem who teach that the Son is “eternally subordinate” to God the Father, and even more shockingly, you have Eastern Orthodox theologians like John Zizioulas who are pushing hard to twist the “monarchy of the Father” into something more than what it’s always been understood - that the Father is the sole ultimate source of the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The fact is that Eastern Orthodox agree that the Trinity is God. This is from Saint John of Damascus:
“Wherefore we do not speak of three Gods, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but rather of one God, the holy Trinity, the Son and Spirit being referred to one cause, and not compounded or coalesced according to the synaeresis of Sabellius.”
orthodox.net/fathers/exacti.html#BOOK_I_CHAPTER_I
The fact is that Eastern Orthodox agree that the Trinity is God. This is from Saint John of Damascus:
“Wherefore we do not speak of three Gods, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, but rather of one God, the holy Trinity, the Son and Spirit being referred to one cause, and not compounded or coalesced according to the synaeresis of Sabellius.”
orthodox.net/fathers/exacti.html#BOOK_I_CHAPTER_I
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eddie_too
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i will continue to believe what Jesus taught. hasantas can believe something else. no one can stop him, nor should we try, from believing whatever he wants.
but, i will believe Jesus before i believe any one else.
but, i will believe Jesus before i believe any one else.
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hasantas
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Only God gives life. Soul or spirit or ghost are creatures of God!
Did Son create eveything? Where it is written?
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hasantas
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If you believe in Jesus you will hold Jesus above Church’s doctrines! I do.
meltzerboy
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With respect, if it is the case that the words of G-d are always perfect, then why was the Qur’an needed to expand on the Hebrew Bible and particularly the Torah, and why do some Muslims state that the words of the Hebrew Bible, as well as those of the New Testament, were corrupted?
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Kliska
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One example;
1 Col 1:16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
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kdbueno
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The one God consist in one divinity
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hasantas
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The point is not that. They claim that God’s word was not perfect in Torah to declare Trinity.
meltzerboy
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Not perfect or not complete? Judaism itself believes that the words in the Torah are not complete without the Oral Law, compiled in the Talmud. The latter spells out the exact meaning of the Written Law (Torah) when there is uncertainty or omission. We do not believe in a Trinitarian G-d but the principle of omission is still applicable.
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