Is the patriarchy a good thing?

[nunsense]

What’s wrong with a synarchy - joint sovereignty in a democracy?

 

[PetraG]

So in other words the patriarchy would be fair, by its own standards, and if any woman should disagree, well, as you put it, “everyone has someone over them”.

Would you say that as long as a government has women in it, it can be assumed that the interests of women are represented?

What’s wrong with a synarchy - joint sovereignty in a democracy?

It is noticeable that the original post does not include that question. The question is matriarchy vs patriarchy.

 

[niceatheist]

I dunno. According to people posting here, men by nature have the right to govern over women and that’s how God and the Church want it. Women in politics, why that’s against the natural order!

 

[PetraG]

I dunno. According to people posting here, men by nature have the right to govern over women and that’s how God and the Church want it. Women in politics, why that’s against the natural order!

There are Catholics who think that. Excepting that only males may be ordained to the ministerial priesthood, the Catholic Church does not teach that. It does not say that men are to be prefered to women in secular government.

Yes, only men may be ordained to the ministerial priesthood, but those men are forbidden from holding secular political office:
Can. 285 §1. Clerics are to refrain completely from all those things which are unbecoming to their state, according to the prescripts of particular law.
§2. Clerics are to avoid those things which, although not unbecoming, are nevertheless foreign to the clerical state.
§3. Clerics are forbidden to assume public offices which entail a participation in the exercise of civil power.
§4. Without the permission of their ordinary, they are not to take on the management of goods belonging to lay persons or secular offices which entail an obligation of rendering accounts. They are prohibited from giving surety even with their own goods without consultation with their proper ordinary. They also are to refrain from signing promissory notes, namely, those through which they assume an obligation to make payment on demand.
Can. 286 Clerics are prohibited from conducting business or trade personally or through others, for their own advantage or that of others, except with the permission of legitimate ecclesiastical authority.
Can. 287 §1. Most especially, clerics are always to foster the peace and harmony based on justice which are to be observed among people.
§2. They are not to have an active part in political parties and in governing labor unions unless, in the judgment of competent ecclesiastical authority, the protection of the rights of the Church or the promotion of the common good requires it.

In other words, the state in the Catholic Church reserved to men forbids the men ordained to that state from places in civil government and keeps them out of financial power brokering. They don’t just agree not to marry. They agree to separate themselves from directly participating in the secular power structure, even though that power structure is recognized as moral and necessary.
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(Pope John Paul II angrily wagging a finger at Fr. Ernesto Cardenal, a Jesuit priest who at the time was serving in the Nicaraguan government in blatant violation of the Pope’s reiteration that clerics were forbidden from serving in secular political offices.)

 

[babochka]

However, I have never heard of a single successful matriarchal society.

Could you define successful society? I have a few examples, but my version of success might not be the same as yours .

 

[babochka]

Dourbest:

It’s a glorified way of saying women are weaker.

Well, women as a general rule are weaker.

Women, in general, are physically weaker; there is no doubt about that. But, there are many different types of strength. Physical strength is but one measure of strength.

 

[PetraG]

Women, in general, are physically weaker; there is no doubt about that. But, there are many different types of strength. Physical strength is but one measure of strength.

The leadership that Our Lord taught is not the kind that lords authority over others on the basis of superior strength or education, but rather a leadership that serves others.

Well…enjoy yourselves, everybody. I think 460 posts ought to be my limit. Our Lord said that anybody who wants to be the most important needs to seek to be the servant of all. That’s the kind of power structure that is going to work. As for the others, it is a matter of time before they fall into injustice.

 

[babochka]

That’s not from me. That’s from the manufacturers and marketers who designed makeup

Make-up has been around a lot longer than those manufacturers and their marketing campaigns have been around.

 

[babochka]

Edmundus1581:

The “professions” are not “STEM”.

Medicine isn’t a STEM profession? Wow, medical students around the world will be surprised to learn that.

The 2017 class at Harvard Law was the first ever to reach 50% women students. According to the American Bar Association, about half of JDs are awarded to women. Women’s weekly salaries in law are about 80% of that for men. In the courts, over 60% of judges are men. Over 75% of Congress is male.
(https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/women/current_glance_2019.pdf)

In universities, according to the National Center for Education Statistics, "In fall 2016, of the 1.5 million faculty in degree-granting postsecondary institutions, 53 percent were full time and 47 percent were part time. Faculty include professors, associate professors, assistant professors, instructors, lecturers, assisting professors, adjunct professors, and interim professors.

Of all full-time faculty in degree-granting postsecondary institutions in fall 2016, 41 percent were White males; 35 percent were White females; 6 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander males; 4 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander females; 3 percent each were Black males, Black females, and Hispanic males; and 2 percent were Hispanic females.1 Those who were American Indian/Alaska Native and those who were of Two or more races each made up 1 percent or less of full-time faculty in these institutions.

The racial and ethnic and sex distribution of faculty varied by academic rank. For example, among full-time professors, 55 percent were White males, 27 percent were White females, 7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander males, and 3 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander females. Black males, Black females, and Hispanic males each accounted for 2 percent of full-time professors. The following groups each made up 1 percent or less of the total number of full-time professors: Hispanic females, American Indian/Alaska Native individuals, and individuals of Two or more races. In comparison, among full-time assistant professors, 35 percent were White males, 38 percent were White females, 7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander males, 6 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander females, and 4 percent were Black females. Black males, Hispanic males, and Hispanic females each accounted for 3 percent of full-time assistant professors, while American Indian/Alaska Native individuals and individuals of Two or more races each made up 1 percent or less of the total number of full-time assistant professors." (Fast Facts: Race/ethnicity of college faculty (61))

Tell us again how women are “taking over”?

Your post reminded me of an article I read a few years ago, about female doctors in Pakistan.

Are Pakistan’s female medical students to be doctors or wives?

In Pakistan's medical schools, female students outnumber the males - but many do not end up getting married rather than becoming doctors, the BBC's Amber Shamsi reports.

www.bbc.com