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Jimmy_B
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"Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”
–Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391
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Jimmy_B
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I’m proud of you, Jimmy. Quoting Fr. Martin. :clapping::dancing:
Seriously, while I will not go so far as Luther as to claim that people who do not discern the real presence are of the devil, he makes a significant point regarding the ECF’s.
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Izdaari
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The Presbyterian, or Reformed view, that Jesus is really present, but in a spiritual rather than a physical way, seems closest to my own. I could also go with the Methodist view, that Jesus is really present, but exactly how remains a “holy mystery.”
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phoenixrrt62
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No. I don’t believe so.
But…I admire your faith.
But…I admire your faith.
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MelanieAnne
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Yes it’s real. Jesus said so.
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curtish1947
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Hi,
Help me out here. Compared to you guys, I am an uneducated illiterate. That view is my own, of me. I am a bit embarassed to be here, but, will state what I think is correct from an experiential point of view.
First, there are many Eucharistic Miracles. At least three of them happened to priests who did not believe in the physical presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. I am sure those three priests believe now.
Second, why doesn’t it happen just as the Protestants say it does,…for them? Do they have the permission and authority from Jesus to have Jesus respond and become present in the bread formerly known as bread and to be present in the wine formerly known as wine? If they do not, then why is it not precisely as they say? It is representational, not Him.
Third, every story, even one I know of concerning the Eucharist and Jesus’s Real Presence there, is about a Protestant lady, who went to Medjugorje at The Holy Spirit’s request. She was shown the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. In her case, everyone there asked her if she was seeing something. She denied to the other onlookers that the Eucharist was white, glowing, and that there was a separate glow coming from the statue of Mary to the right. Mary said to her, something relating to now that you know, you also have to know about me. When she came back to the States, she let many of us know of her experience there and some others with The Holy Spirit.
Jesus, cautioned the Apostles and the rest of us, to be not overly concerned with those who know less than others. He did this in Mark 9:38-42. He had some stern warnings about the experienced and the educated correcting those who knew less, by force. We, are allowed to answer only. With that and all other gifts and prohibitions (out of love), in place, Let me say this:
"What is, IS, in my experience. The Eucharist, only existing in the Catholic Church, is quite, probable. It seems this may be what God is telling us, and, all the other Christian denominations, when they, for some reason, say it is done, only, in remembrance of Him and is not Him, as the Catholics say. Why would God, through the Holy Spirit, not, prevent them, from a grave error? If he is, is it wrong for them to tell the truth about their last supper worship? Is it wrong? If it is not, let us accept what they do as it is. It is representational, while the Catholics have the authority and power from God to turn bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. This authority was given by Jesus. Protestants, stole religion under the guise of Catholic errors. They then gave themselves the authority. God did not. He does say that a person only needs to believe, essentially, just a little, to be saved from the Biblical definition of Death. He further goes on to say, through Jesus, through The Holy Spirit through Paul, that God chooses who believes, not us. "
So in my opinion, the Protestants are correct, their bread and wine service done in love (worship) for the deeds and love of Christ and His Father and His Holy Spirit, is, representational, only. I am sure God likes, loves, and, approves of their actions. Remember, you who know much are prevented from angering them by Mark 9:38-42. I am also. I can and you can as you have so well done, respond with your reasons.
I hope this helps, you may have already stated this, in other words, and for that I am sorry if you did. I need it simple and if it is not, I don’t understand, so I might have projected that you did not say this when in fact you eloquently did so.
Help me out here. Compared to you guys, I am an uneducated illiterate. That view is my own, of me. I am a bit embarassed to be here, but, will state what I think is correct from an experiential point of view.
First, there are many Eucharistic Miracles. At least three of them happened to priests who did not believe in the physical presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist. I am sure those three priests believe now.
Second, why doesn’t it happen just as the Protestants say it does,…for them? Do they have the permission and authority from Jesus to have Jesus respond and become present in the bread formerly known as bread and to be present in the wine formerly known as wine? If they do not, then why is it not precisely as they say? It is representational, not Him.
Third, every story, even one I know of concerning the Eucharist and Jesus’s Real Presence there, is about a Protestant lady, who went to Medjugorje at The Holy Spirit’s request. She was shown the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. In her case, everyone there asked her if she was seeing something. She denied to the other onlookers that the Eucharist was white, glowing, and that there was a separate glow coming from the statue of Mary to the right. Mary said to her, something relating to now that you know, you also have to know about me. When she came back to the States, she let many of us know of her experience there and some others with The Holy Spirit.
Jesus, cautioned the Apostles and the rest of us, to be not overly concerned with those who know less than others. He did this in Mark 9:38-42. He had some stern warnings about the experienced and the educated correcting those who knew less, by force. We, are allowed to answer only. With that and all other gifts and prohibitions (out of love), in place, Let me say this:
"What is, IS, in my experience. The Eucharist, only existing in the Catholic Church, is quite, probable. It seems this may be what God is telling us, and, all the other Christian denominations, when they, for some reason, say it is done, only, in remembrance of Him and is not Him, as the Catholics say. Why would God, through the Holy Spirit, not, prevent them, from a grave error? If he is, is it wrong for them to tell the truth about their last supper worship? Is it wrong? If it is not, let us accept what they do as it is. It is representational, while the Catholics have the authority and power from God to turn bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. This authority was given by Jesus. Protestants, stole religion under the guise of Catholic errors. They then gave themselves the authority. God did not. He does say that a person only needs to believe, essentially, just a little, to be saved from the Biblical definition of Death. He further goes on to say, through Jesus, through The Holy Spirit through Paul, that God chooses who believes, not us. "
So in my opinion, the Protestants are correct, their bread and wine service done in love (worship) for the deeds and love of Christ and His Father and His Holy Spirit, is, representational, only. I am sure God likes, loves, and, approves of their actions. Remember, you who know much are prevented from angering them by Mark 9:38-42. I am also. I can and you can as you have so well done, respond with your reasons.
I hope this helps, you may have already stated this, in other words, and for that I am sorry if you did. I need it simple and if it is not, I don’t understand, so I might have projected that you did not say this when in fact you eloquently did so.
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curtish1947
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Ah, writing is a second language for me after all.
This sentence above makes no sence:
Third, every story, even one I know of concerning the Eucharist and Jesus’s Real Presence there, is about a Protestant lady, who went to Medjugorje at The Holy Spirit’s request. She was shown the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
It should read:
Third every story I know of about the Eucharist concerns the Real Presence of Jesus and not just a remembrance or a representation of Him. One story I know of even involves a Protestant Lady, who had given her life over to God. She went from one task to another, and even became a mystic at God’s wishes, not hers. The Holy Spirit asked her to go to Medjugorje. She eventually went. There were many signs to her, that she was indeed to go. When she got there, the Eucharist on the Altar, glowed brightly. No one else could see it. She approached the Eucharist, people asked her if she saw anything. She denied she did. A glow also came from the statue to the right. It was Mary’s statue. She said to her something like: "Now that you know, you have to know of me also.’
This sentence above makes no sence:
Third, every story, even one I know of concerning the Eucharist and Jesus’s Real Presence there, is about a Protestant lady, who went to Medjugorje at The Holy Spirit’s request. She was shown the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
It should read:
Third every story I know of about the Eucharist concerns the Real Presence of Jesus and not just a remembrance or a representation of Him. One story I know of even involves a Protestant Lady, who had given her life over to God. She went from one task to another, and even became a mystic at God’s wishes, not hers. The Holy Spirit asked her to go to Medjugorje. She eventually went. There were many signs to her, that she was indeed to go. When she got there, the Eucharist on the Altar, glowed brightly. No one else could see it. She approached the Eucharist, people asked her if she saw anything. She denied she did. A glow also came from the statue to the right. It was Mary’s statue. She said to her something like: "Now that you know, you have to know of me also.’
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