Is the "Real Presence" real?

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patg said:
It is real in the domain of faith and belief.
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This I would like to bring up here, because of this type of misunderstanding is what confuses the belief in the True real presence of Jesus in his Eucharistic sacrifice.

I will try and be clear here; For one, Jesus is God (incarnate), and God gave the words of consecration for his apostles to follow and DO in rememberance of me. God spoke displaying the unleavened bread, this is my body, then holding the cup of blessing spoke this is my blood.

It makes no difference about ones domain of faith or belief, because whether or not one accepts Jesus commands, when Jesus states this is my body, this is my blood, The species of bread and wine are transubstantiated into his body, blood, soul and divinty, not because one believes, but because Jesus said these are his body and blood.Again a persons belief or faith has nothing to do, when God creates, or commands it is period. It is up to one to come to the faith of accepting Jesus commandment, not whether or not one’s domain of faith determines if the bread or wine is Jesus body and blood or not, Jesus is truly and really present in the validly consecrated Eucharist, according to the Word of God, not ones domain of faith or belief can determine this. This is what Paul hints about discerning the body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharist, that this bread is the body of Jesus, the cup of blessing is the blood of Jesus. When one takes this true food and true drink without discerning the body and blood of Jesus, eats and drinks judgement on him or herself.

Jesus is not finshed here, when the bread and wine become his body and blood, Jesus commands us to eat his body and drink his blood! this heavenly banquet is for believers not unbelievers, in order to recieve the promise from God, eternal life, to whomever eats the body of Jesus and drinks his blood.

I cannot emphasize enough here, that one’s domain of faith or belief does not constitute whether or not the bread and wine is truly the body and blood of Jesus. God has already spoken on this matter period, it is. Ones domain of faith or belief comes into play whether or not to accept the written Word of God, and his commandment to eat and drink the body and blood of Jesus. To play on the word of domain of faith, or belief, will give you eternal life if you obey God, or bring judgement against you if you do not discern the body and blood of Jesus Christ, and consume his body and blood.

Peace be with you
 
jdnrite01 said:
Any religious body which denies the reality of Christ in the Eucharist obviously shouldn’t use the term “Real Presence.” That phrase has a distinct meaning.
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I absolutely agree with you. :yup:

I was just stating that fact because this question seemed so ridiculous to the person, and I agree that it seems a silly question. But if anyone would realize that others use that term then it wouldn’t seem so silly. Ultimately, I agree with you. No one should use that phrase unless they believed in the Eucharist in the Catholic Mass, during Adoration and in all the Tabernacles of all the Catholic Churches in the world.
 
Al_Masetti said:
Interested folks should make it a point to visit a Catholic Church that has 24/7 Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration … and just sit there in front of Jesus in the Monstrance for a quiet hour.

See what happens.
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🙂 ❤️
 
Al_Masetti said:
Interested folks should make it a point to visit a Catholic Church that has 24/7 Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration … and just sit there in front of Jesus in the Monstrance for a quiet hour.

See what happens.
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I have a little story of a conversion relating to this.

One day I dropped into St. Boniface Church in San Francisco. It used to operate St. Anthony’s Dining Room, which is next door , for the poor and needy. They are two separate operations now. St. Boniface is in a rough area of that city and milling all around at every doorway, and sitting inside in the pews (resting I’m sure) are the world’s throw-aways. They are often drunk or drugged, always very dirty, and frankly look somewhat dangerous. They are the hardest core of the homeless. St. Boniface Church and St. Anthony’s dining room cater to these poor souls. I met a man inside who told me the story of his conversion.

He and his family had traveled up and down the California coast visiting the missions founded by Bl. Junipero Serra. He was a protestant as was his family. He noticed that the missions that had been changed to museums were cold, but interesting old buildings. He noticed that the moment you entered into a mission that still functioned as a Church, there was a presence. He found this presence to be overwhelmingly attractive. While visiting the grave site of Bl. Junipero Serra, he asked where this man was buried. He discovered he was standing on the grave site itself. He returned to these missions again and experienced the same awareness of the Presence of Jesus.

When I met him he was preparing to assist at mass. He had become a Deacon in the Catholic Church and was helping the Franciscans at St. Boniface in their many ministries to the poorest of the poor. This is the power of Jesus in the Eucharist to those who will but open their hearts, their ears, their eyes.

Pax Christi!
 
MaryChristine said:
I have a little story of a conversion relating to this.

One day I dropped into St. Boniface Church in San Francisco. It used to operate St. Anthony’s Dining Room, which is next door , for the poor and needy. They are two separate operations now. St. Boniface is in a rough area of that city and milling all around at every doorway, and sitting inside in the pews (resting I’m sure) are the world’s throw-aways. They are often drunk or drugged, always very dirty, and frankly look somewhat dangerous. They are the hardest core of the homeless. St. Boniface Church and St. Anthony’s dining room cater to these poor souls. I met a man inside who told me the story of his conversion.

He and his family had traveled up and down the California coast visiting the missions founded by Bl. Junipero Serra. He was a protestant as was his family. He noticed that the missions that had been changed to museums were cold, but interesting old buildings. He noticed that the moment you entered into a mission that still functioned as a Church, there was a presence. He found this presence to be overwhelmingly attractive. While visiting the grave site of Bl. Junipero Serra, he asked where this man was buried. He discovered he was standing on the grave site itself. He returned to these missions again and experienced the same awareness of the Presence of Jesus.

When I met him he was preparing to assist at mass. He had become a Deacon in the Catholic Church and was helping the Franciscans at St. Boniface in their many ministries to the poorest of the poor. This is the power of Jesus in the Eucharist to those who will but open their hearts, their ears, their eyes.

Pax Christi!
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Thank you!
 
It appears that in some point in time, I voted no on this poll. 😊 I would like to retract that vote and vote yes. I most certainly do believe that the real presence is real.
 
Holly3278 said:
It appears that in some point in time, I voted no on this poll. 😊 I would like to retract that vote and vote yes. I most certainly do believe that the real presence is real.
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Sorry Holly,

Nope…can’t do it, once you have voted, that’s it…it’s in stone forever! :mad:

Just kidding…😃 I am glad that we agree that Christ is really present in the Eucharist…👍

Peace 🙂
 
I vote for Holly3278, (because obviously Jesus already voted for her too). 🙂
 
Holly3278 said:
It appears that in some point in time, I voted no on this poll. 😊 I would like to retract that vote and vote yes. I most certainly do believe that the real presence is real.
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I don’t know if you hit ‘no’ on accident or if you misunderstood the question or didn’t think through it enough. But this is a good example of the poll that was done several years back. I think it’s something like 70% of Catholics do not believe in the real presence. But it has been said that perhaps it is because of how the question was asked. I cannot believe that 70% of Catholics do not believe in the real presence. That just seems odd to me.

This question here however is very clear. That is why I ask if you possibly hit ‘no’ on accident. Or did you read the question too fast and didn’t think it through?
But I’m glad you do believe in the real presence. ❤️
 
Interested folks should chat with their pastor.

Start with regular weekly Holy Hours.

And as support develops, start talking about initiating Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration.

It does require some commitment. And a chapel that is can be left unlocked while the rest of the church building is secured.

However, it is absolutely amazing!

therealpresence.org/eucharst/pea/a2.html
 
Is the “Real Presence” real?**

I believe that it is real, that Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist (Holy Communion) and not merely present “symbolically”.**

A belief in the “Real Presence” of Christ in the Holy Eucharist is supported Biblically.

Many “Protestants” and non-Catholic Christians who reject the Eucharist as the “Real Presence” of Jesus Christ, don’t have a problem with the Christian concept that God is both omnipresent and omnipotent, except that is, when it comes to the Eucharist.

Many will accept for example, the belief that God created the Universe, or that God can manifest himself as a “burning bush”, or that the Resurrection occurred, but they do not believe that Jesus can be present in the Holy Eucharist. Where in the Bible, does it say He can’t?

This seems to be a contradiction in beliefs.

Is the “Real Presence” real?
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There does seem to be a contradiction in beliefs, am I wrong?

Is the “Real Presence” - Real?
 
It’s real.

The Bible states it…and our Apostolic Fathers were firm on this…

“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” ~ Ignatius of Antioch (Letter to the Romans 7:3). 110 AD.]
 
agname said:
It’s real.

The Bible states it…and our Apostolic Fathers were firm on this…

“I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible” ~ Ignatius of Antioch (Letter to the Romans 7:3). 110 AD.]
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Wow! I love to here these Catholic heavy weights from antiquity, who believe the same way we do 2000 years later, this speaks volumes of the Catholic church’s unbroken faith. The promise of Jesus to be with his church always still lives on… St. Ignatius pray for us. For our God is the God of the LIVING not the dead, for if one is asleep or awake, for to God they are all alive…
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church

**1374 **The mode of Christ’s presence under the Eucharistic species is unique. It raises the Eucharist above all the sacraments as “the perfection of the spiritual life and the end to which all the sacraments tend.” In the most blessed sacrament of the Eucharist “the body and blood, together with the soul and divinity, of our Lord Jesus Christ and, therefore, the whole Christ is truly, really, and substantially contained.” “This presence is called ‘real’ - by which is not intended to exclude the other types of presence as if they could not be ‘real’ too, but because it is presence in the fullest sense: that is to say, it is a *substantial *presence by which Christ, God and man, makes himself wholly and entirely present.”
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Jimmy_B said:
Is the “Real Presence” real?

I believe that it is real, that Jesus Christ is really present in the Eucharist (Holy Communion) and not merely present “symbolically”.

A belief in the “Real Presence” of Christ in the Holy Eucharist is supported Biblically.

Many “Protestants” and non-Catholic Christians who reject the Eucharist as the “Real Presence” of Jesus Christ, don’t have a problem with the Christian concept that God is both omnipresent and omnipotent, except that is, when it comes to the Eucharist.

Many will accept for example, the belief that God created the Universe, or that God can manifest himself as a “burning bush”, or that the Resurrection occurred, but they do not believe that Jesus can be present in the Holy Eucharist. Where in the Bible, does it say He can’t?

This seems to be a contradiction in beliefs.

Is the “Real Presence” real?

Your Thoughts?
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Apostasy

(apo, from, and stasis, station, standing, or position).

The word itself in its etymological sense, signifies the desertion of a post, the giving up of a state of life; he who voluntarily embraces a definite state of life cannot leave it, therefore, without becoming an apostate.

More here
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Catechism of the Catholic Church

817 In fact, “in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame.” The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ’s Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.
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Unfortunately, Apostasy isn’t anything new, read John 6:66

(notice - “666”)
John 6:66

As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.

Moreover, some today have left the Catholic Church for the same reason, a disbelief in the Holy Eucharist;
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John 6:52-72

52 The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
54 Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
59 These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
60 20 Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
61 Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
62 What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? 21
63 It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh 22 is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
65 And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
66 As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him.
67 Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
69 We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
71 He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.
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I would like to hear the “official” non-Catholic, Protestant and/or “former Catholic” response to this, if there is one, my guess is that there are many different Protestant “twists” on this subject.

Is anyone here afraid of being guilty of the sin of apostasy or heresy?
 
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