Is the "Real Presence" real?

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Jimmy_B said:
I would like to hear the “official” non-Catholic, Protestant and/or “former Catholic” response to this, if there is one, my guess is that there are many different Protestant “twists” on this subject.

Is anyone here afraid of being guilty of the sin of apostasy or heresy?
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This is sad. 😦 I told my brother that he was like the disciples who walked away from Jesus. My brother even called me a cannibal. It doesn’t bother me that he called me a cannibal. What bothers me is that he believes it and that he walked away from Jesus because of this teaching. What’s really sad is that the anti-Christ is the one who denies Jesus come in the flesh, hence John 6:66. Well Jesus is here in the flesh in all the Tabernacles in all the Catholic Churches in the world. He is with us at Mass and we partake of His flesh at every Mass. My brother thinks this is cannabalistic. That is sad.
 
AlegreFe said:
This is sad. 😦 I told my brother that he was like the disciples who walked away from Jesus. My brother even called me a cannibal. It doesn’t bother me that he called me a cannibal. What bothers me is that he believes it and that he walked away from Jesus because of this teaching. What’s really sad is that the anti-Christ is the one who denies Jesus come in the flesh, hence John 6:66. Well Jesus is here in the flesh in all the Tabernacles in all the Catholic Churches in the world. He is with us at Mass and we partake of His flesh at every Mass. My brother thinks this is cannabalistic. That is sad.
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Hi Sandy yes this is sad, and some say we kill Jesus at every Mass, but we just have to pray for our brothers, that many will for llonging for the Lord, come to His real presence and the cup of blessing. I like your links too.
Barb
 
Jimmy_B said:
Thank you very much, I went to the link that you provided, what a beautiful video.

God Bless.
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I just visited the link myself. I could feel the message sinking in even deeper (even though it would be said that I already believe in the Real Presence).

@ dessert: Thanks and God Bless you.
 
AlegreFe said:
This is sad. 😦 I told my brother that he was like the disciples who walked away from Jesus. My brother even called me a cannibal. It doesn’t bother me that he called me a cannibal. What bothers me is that he believes it and that he walked away from Jesus because of this teaching. What’s really sad is that the anti-Christ is the one who denies Jesus come in the flesh, hence John 6:66. Well Jesus is here in the flesh in all the Tabernacles in all the Catholic Churches in the world. He is with us at Mass and we partake of His flesh at every Mass. My brother thinks this is cannabalistic. That is sad.
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It is sad. I am the only one among 4 siblings who is still a practicing Catholic. I’d once read a message from Our Lady saying we could pray a Rosary for our fallen away members this way; by adding this intention at the beginning: “With this Rosary I bind my family to you Blessed Mother.”

I tried taking it a step further: Sometimes directly after receiving Holy Communion, I ask Jesus if I could share Him and his graces I’m receiving with my family members. Then I tell Him I know He hasn’t forgotten about them or stopped loving them.
 
NeedImprovement said:
I just visited the link myself. I could feel the message sinking in even deeper (even though it would be said that I already believe in the Real Presence).
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(bold emphasis mine)

I know what you mean. No matter how much we believe in the Real Presence, we will never fully & completely believe in a way that could be believing to our utmost capacity of believing… if that makes any sense. I sometimes pray, “Lord, I believe! Help my unbelief!”
 
AlegreFe said:
(bold emphasis mine)

I know what you mean. No matter how much we believe in the Real Presence, we will never fully & completely believe in a way that could be believing to our utmost capacity of believing… if that makes any sense. I sometimes pray, “Lord, I believe! Help my unbelief!”
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It makes*** perfect ***sense to me. 👍

As I heard one dear nun put it (Sister Emmanuel) : “God is infinite. He is so great that we will never stop growing in discovering Him.”
 
NeedImprovement said:
It is sad. I am the only one among 4 siblings who is still a practicing Catholic.
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I am also one of 4 siblings, 2 girls & 2 boys. Only 1 girl (myself) and 1 boy are left that practice their faith. Although I didn’t practice my faith for many years. I never “left” the Church to go to a protestant church. I just stopped going to Mass. But now, I’m practicing my faith and I love going to Mass and receiving Jesus in the Eucharist. I offer up my holy communions for the 2 siblings who actually left the church for a protestant denomination; both at different times & different denominations. Now the 1 other brother doesn’t even go to church because he doesn’t agree with any of the denominations out there. So he’s his own little “pope” so to speak. He stays home on Sundays and just listens to the radio or watches TV for his “church” time.
NeedImprovement said:
I’d once read a message from Our Lady saying we could pray a Rosary for our fallen away members this way; by adding this intention at the beginning: “With this Rosary I bind my family to you Blessed Mother.”
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Oh my, I say the same thing!.. well sort of. I have this little card that says, “How To Save Your Children.” It’s from the Marian Movement of Priests. It says the following;
(front)
During one of the cenacles which Fr. Gobbi held in the United States, he was urged by many concerned people to ask Our Lady specifically what could be done to save the youth from the deductions of the world which were leading many of them astray and causing them to leave the Church. Our Lady gave Fr. Gobbi this definite and final solution to console the parents who are so concerned about the salvation of their children:
  • Pray the Rosary!
  • Every time you pray the Rosary say: “With this Rosary I bind all my children to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”
  • In doing so, Our Lady promised “to see to their souls.”
(back)
– “The rosary is the weapon that I give to these children of mine to fight the great approaching battles which await them.” (34l)
– “By it [your rosary] you are able to lay bare the plots of my Adversary; you escape from many of his deceits; you defend yourselves from many dangers which he puts in your way; it preserves you from evil and brings you ever closer to me…” (184j)
– “With this prayer, you are able to obtain from the Lord the great grace of a change of hearts, of the conversion of souls, and of the return of all humanity to God…” (336n)

The Marian Movement of Priests
P.O. Box 8 St. Francis, ME 04774-0008
I change it a little for my 2 siblings, “With this Rosary I bind my brother & sister to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”
NeedImprovement said:
I tried taking it a step further: Sometimes directly after receiving Holy Communion, I ask Jesus if I could share Him and his graces I’m receiving with my family members. Then I tell Him I know He hasn’t forgotten about them or stopped loving them.
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I offer my communion for my brother & sister. I sometimes offer it up for someone else too that had asked me for my prayers.
 
You’re right… It was: I bind them to, “…the Immaculate Heart of Mary.” Like my user name…I stand corrected.

God never desired abortion. So sometimes when I receive Holy Communion, I’ll offer it for an aborted soul, praying:

“** Lord, you intended for that soul to be born, to experience life on this earth, to grow, to receive Holy Communion…but we never gave him/her the chance…”**
…remainder of prayer witheld]
 
NeedImprovement said:
God never desired abortion. So sometimes when I receive Holy Communion, I’ll offer it for an aborted soul, praying:

“** Lord, you intended for that soul to be born, to experience life on this earth, to grow, to receive Holy Communion…but we never gave him/her the chance…”**
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I love your prayer. I hope you don’t mind me stealing it. 😃
Those poor babies. 😦 If only…
You might not have any idea for whom you’re praying, I don’t know. You might. I personally know of some aborted babies. 😦 So I’d like to thank you. :gopray:
 
AlegreFe said:
I love your prayer. I hope you don’t mind me stealing it. 😃
Those poor babies. 😦 If only…
You might not have any idea for whom you’re praying, I don’t know. You might. I personally know of some aborted babies. 😦 So I’d like to thank you. :gopray:
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I believe one of the rules He gave us was: “Thou shalt not steal”.
:hmmm: …

It isn’t stealing; the prayer already exists in your heart.
What I wrote -" Lord, you intended for that soul to be born, to experience life on this earth, to grow, to receive Holy Communion…but we never gave him/her the chance…", is simply a map that gives directions to help you find it.

Yes I know of some mothers who have aborted (some are even Catholic friends who’ve opened up to me). I wonder what would happen if every Catholic said a Hail Mary each day for expectant mothers ? I wonder what kind of an impact that would have on abortion ?
 
I don’t see the point of this thread. In a staunchly conservative, orthodox Catholic forum such as this, isn’t this a rhetorical, no-brainer question? Of course 9/10 Catholics in here are going to accept the real presence?

Secondly, I notice many of these threads, especially those started by Jimmy B, seem to focus on fueling our fires by trashing protestant beliefs? Can we go for a while without mocking, criticizing, or demaning their beliefs? I don’t need to trash protestants and constantly point out their weaknesses to feel like a good Catholic?

Charity, charity!

I know many protestants who are a darned sight holier and more godly than some of my Catholic friends. Father Corapi once said, “better to be a good Protestant than a lousy Catholic.” My definition of “good” Catholic means walk the walk. I’m getting fed up with us bashing protestants. We’re supposed to love them. Yes, they need to be challenged, but not 24/7 in here! Let’s give it a rest!!
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I don’t see the point of this thread. In a staunchly conservative, orthodox Catholic forum such as this, isn’t this a rhetorical, no-brainer question? Of course 9/10 Catholics in here are going to accept the real presence?

Secondly, I notice many of these threads, especially those started by Jimmy B, seem to focus on fueling our fires by trashing protestant beliefs? Can we go for a while without mocking, criticizing, or demaning their beliefs? I don’t need to trash protestants and constantly point out their weaknesses to feel like a good Catholic?

Charity, charity!

I know many protestants who are a darned sight holier and more godly than some of my Catholic friends. Father Corapi once said, “better to be a good Protestant than a lousy Catholic.” My definition of “good” Catholic means walk the walk. I’m getting fed up with us bashing protestants. We’re supposed to love them. Yes, they need to be challenged, but not 24/7 in here! Let’s give it a rest!!
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Where you see “bashing”, I see that Jimmy is actually asking our separated brethren to stop and think and examine what they are being erroneously taught.

A good many Protestants (and also some Catholics) never really question what their Pastors, elders, etc. preach. Many do not know why they believe whatever they believe.

Is it “charitable” to let some persist in their false beliefs?
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I don’t see the point of this thread. In a staunchly conservative, orthodox Catholic forum such as this, isn’t this a rhetorical, no-brainer question? Of course 9/10 Catholics in here are going to accept the real presence?

Secondly, I notice many of these threads, especially those started by Jimmy B, seem to focus on fueling our fires by trashing protestant beliefs? Can we go for a while without mocking, criticizing, or demaning their beliefs? I don’t need to trash protestants and constantly point out their weaknesses to feel like a good Catholic?

Charity, charity!

I know many protestants who are a darned sight holier and more godly than some of my Catholic friends. Father Corapi once said, “better to be a good Protestant than a lousy Catholic.” My definition of “good” Catholic means walk the walk. I’m getting fed up with us bashing protestants. We’re supposed to love them. Yes, they need to be challenged, but not 24/7 in here! Let’s give it a rest!!
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I counted I think 10 consecutive posts previous to this one without even mention of the word “protestant”.

I especially like the artwork Jimmy B posts. And I concur that yes, sometimes the thread can evolve into heated discussions back and forth between Protestants and Catholics (and between Catholics and Catholics if we’re going to be fair)…more heated than I would prefer.

But 4 posts ago, another Catholic said they were going to offer their Holy Communion for the aborted…so the thread is bearing fruit too (only my limited opinion).

Jimmy’s main focus is on the Eucharist and the Blessed Mother; two pillars of the Catholic faith and two sore spots for a lot of non Catholics. Those two threads have been conducive to a significant amount of dialogue in those areas as well,not solely arguments. But it is so true that it only takes one basher,or condescender or mocker to taint an entire series of exchanges.

I also have some very pious Protestant friends and especially one Baptist friend who is like a brother to me and I would dare to say he has more Christian charity in his baby finger than I have in my whole body.

This next part is simply my personal opinion: I believe Jimmy B walks the walk with a capital “W”. He served as a police officer. He was putting his life on the line daily for Protestants, Jews, Catholics, Lutherans, Baptists, Mormons, Muslims… whoever lived in his district. [John 15:13] (I can’t say the same about myself).
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I notice many of these threads, especially those started by Jimmy B, seem to focus on fueling our fires by trashing protestant beliefs? Can we go for a while without mocking, criticizing, or demaning their beliefs? I don’t need to trash protestants and constantly point out their weaknesses to feel like a good Catholic?
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Whoa, easy there. Don’t you think your statement about Jimmy is a bit hypocritical? You talk about not trashing and I see your statement about Jimmy to be trashing him.

What I see from Jimmy is him trying to spark some light of truth for non-Catholics to think. I see it as an act of mercy for all of us. I believe he is just trying to convey truth and spread the Gospel. Isn’t that what Jesus wants? Yes.

His posts and many other posts from devout Catholics have me thinking too. I learn different ways to defend the truths of the Catholic Church which is really just defending Jesus. He doesn’t need defending but He certainly deserves it from us as our love for Him.
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I know many protestants who are a darned sight holier and more godly than some of my Catholic friends. Father Corapi once said, “better to be a good Protestant than a lousy Catholic.” My definition of “good” Catholic means walk the walk.
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This is true. I agree with you here. It saddens me that there are Catholics out there that don’t know that we are called to be holy. It is even hard for those who know this, myself being one of those who find it hard sometimes to be holy, and a lot harder to be holy ALL the time. I too know of some protestants who are great Christians and show it by their fruits.
gurneyhalleck1 said:
I’m getting fed up with us bashing protestants. We’re supposed to love them.
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I don’t believe any good Catholic wants to bash protestants. We just want to share what we love. When I have something I love I want to share it with the whole world.
gurneyhalleck1 said:
Yes, they need to be challenged, but not 24/7 in here! Let’s give it a rest!!
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They do need to be challenged. As far as the 24/7, this is a forum where people from all over the country post. We’re all in different time zones. We all post at different times too.
 
NDfan said:
No maybe it’s just above your understanding. When I look at the bread I see Jesus. When I look at the wine I see Jesus blood. I remember HIS sacrifice. But I don’t think I am physically putting HIM in my mouth and chewing on HIS bones and drinking HIS blood.
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Well, doesn’t Jesus specifically say: 'If you don’t eat my flesh and if you don’t drink my blood, you don’t have life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and I will resurrect him (her) on the latter day" And I heard that in the Greek, it’s like: “Whoever masticates my flesh and drinks my blood”…
 
Usagi said:
Ah, but as Paul told the Corinthians, to eat and drink unworthily has nearly the opposite effect, in their case even causing physical sickness and death for some.

The atheist would truly consume the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ (this is why Catholics are horrified when we see things like consecrated Hosts being offered for sale on eBay),
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:eek: What? :eek:

😦

Oh dear Jesus, have mercy on us, we’re all sinners.
 
Jimmy_B said:
Thank you very much, I went to the link that you provided, what a beautiful video.

God Bless.
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Your welcome Jimmy, the video just got me thinking more about the Real Presence.
The Eucharist reminds us that we are possessed by God, and that communion fills us with gladness and peace.
Also thus we have the fifth mystery of the Luminous Mysteries;
The Institution of the Eucharist.
 
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