Is the Roman catechism Infallible?

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I am trying to find the source for this:

The Church’s power to forgive sins extends to all sin without exception. (De fide.)

from “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Dr Ludwig Ott

I don’t have the book (so i dont have the reference), but i have found a phrase simmilar to this in the Roman catechism commisioned by the council of trent. Does anyone know if this catechism is infallible (hence is this the source)?
 
Pete said:
I am trying to find the source for this:

The Church’s power to forgive sins extends to all sin without exception. (De fide.)

from “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Dr Ludwig Ott

I don’t have the book (so i dont have the reference), but i have found a phrase simmilar to this in the Roman catechism commisioned by the council of trent. Does anyone know if this catechism is infallible (hence is this the source)?
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Catechism’s are not infallible because they are not solemn definitions by a Pope or Council. And the mere inclusion of a teaching in one Catechism is not sufficient to make it a teaching under the Universal Magisterium.

Ott cites Trent, and other sources, but he has no single solemn definition to support that doctrine. I would say that it is infallible under the Universal Magisterium. Blasphemy against the Spirit is nothing other than final impenitence, so there are no exceptions to the Church’s power to forgive sins.
 
Oh thanks,

If you have the book could you tell me which sources he cites it would be very helpfull.
 
Kind of i’m looking for the without exeption bit specifically, and then where Dr Ott got the (de fide) bit from
 
I have the book at home, I am not there but I’ll do some checking by later int he week when I get back and post for you!
 
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I checked the book, it’s on page 423. All the sources are cited here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=198317

what more from that post are you looking for?
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I don’t understand where Dr Ott got the without exeption bit from. I am trying to find a source where it explicitly says infalliably what i have highlighted in red.

The Church’s power to forgive sins extends to all sin without exception. (De fide.)
…According to the teaching of the Council of Trent, Penance was instituted as a reconciliation of the faithful with God “as often as they fall into sin after Baptism” (quoties post baptismum in peccata labuntur). D 911; cf. 895, 430. It follows from this that Penance can be repeated at will, and that all sins without exception committed after Baptism can be remitted by the Church’s power to forgive sins.
 
I may be guilty of oversimplication in the matter, but it seems to me the answer to this question is provided when Christ gave the apostles the power to bind and loose. He gave this power without any exceptions.
 
Pete said:
I don’t understand where Dr Ott got the without exeption bit from. I am trying to find a source where it explicitly says infalliably what i have highlighted in red.

The Church’s power to forgive sins extends to all sin without exception. (De fide.)
…According to the teaching of the Council of Trent, Penance was instituted as a reconciliation of the faithful with God “as often as they fall into sin after Baptism” (quoties post baptismum in peccata labuntur). D 911; cf. 895, 430. It follows from this that Penance can be repeated at will, and that all sins without exception committed after Baptism can be remitted by the Church’s power to forgive sins.
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“Reconciliation” MEANS “the act of bringing into ‘meeting’”, or making a “match”, which van’t be performed IMPERFECTLY. There is either “reconciliation” or “sin remains”, nothing between.

“As often as” means “whenever”, which implies “without exception”, otherwise they would have said, “As often as except for”.
 
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“Reconciliation” MEANS “the act of bringing into ‘meeting’”, or making a “match”, which van’t be performed IMPERFECTLY. There is either “reconciliation” or “sin remains”, nothing between.

“As often as” means “whenever”, which implies “without exception”, otherwise they would have said, “As often as except for”.
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Oh yea that makes sense, thanks. I guess that answers my question.
 
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I don’t understand where Dr Ott got the without exeption bit from. I am trying to find a source where it explicitly says infalliably what i have highlighted in red.
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trosch.org/chu/trent-1.htm says:

CANONS CONCERNING
THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF PENANCE
— 14th Session, page 101 —
Canon 1. If anyone says that in the Catholic Church penance is not truly and properly a sacrament instituted by Christ the Lord for reconciling the faithful of God as often as they fall into sin after baptism, let him be anathema.

This canon is infallible, as it ends with an “anathema”, and the use of the “as often as they fall into sin” phrase MEANS that WHENEVER they fall and WHATEVER their sin (as sin is unqualified).

Since “whenever it happens and whatever it is” equals “without exception”, there does exist an infallible declaration that “The Church’s power to forgive sins extends to all sin without exception.”

The reference is the above Canon reference.
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