Is the Rosary genuine?

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I mean, I’m a little curious. I’m trying to find Christ, and does this seem Holy and authentic? not at all contradicting scriptures?
  1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.
  2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
  3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against Hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
  4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities and will lead them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
  5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
  6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God and become worthy of eternal life.
  7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
  8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death, they shall participate in the merits of the saints in Paradise.
  9. I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
    (I mean, this one gets me thinking…)
  10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
  11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
  12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
  13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.
  14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons, and brothers of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
  15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
 
From a Protestant perspective, it would be deemed superstitious and quite possibly Pagan, especially considering that it could be seen as an Idol as well as the fact that Christian sacramentals are nowhere spoken of in Scripture.
 
Mary is a queen, the Queen of Heaven and Earth. She has been delegated authority and power by Her Son, Jesus, the King. Mary has very real power and authority, and she has been given a definite role in our salvation.

All Christians need to understand that Jesus is a King. The whole theme of Matthew’s Gospel is the Kingdom of Jesus - the announcement of the kingdom, descriptions of the kingdom, the establishment of the kingdom, the tearing down of the old kingdom. Jesus spends all of Chapter 13 of Matthews Gospel giving parables about what his kingdom will be like.

When the people saw the sign he had done, they said, “This is truly the Prophet, 9 the one who is to come into the world.” Since Jesus knew that they were going to come and carry him off to make him king, he withdrew again to the mountain alone. (John 6:14-15)

Jesus is King of kings. That Jesus is a king is undeniable.

And we must always remember that the Old Testament is the story of God preparing his people to accept their Messiah, to accept their King. And when we look at the Kings of the Old Testament, we find a curious fact about who they appointed to be their queens.

Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right. (1 Kings 2:19)

Bathsheba was King David’s wife but was the Mother of King Solomon. No one in the kingdom was higher than the king, yet Solomon pays homage to his mother and seats her in a throne on his right. This is because Bathsheba is not only Solomon’s mother but she is also the queen.

That a king would appoint his mother as queen makes sense when one understands that wives were often taken as part of a military alliance. Each king would send his daughter or niece to be the wife of the king with whom he was making an alliance. For such a woman to be elevated to the postion of queen was to elevate a blood relative of a potential rival to a place of great authority in the kingdom, and this was too great a risk. Kings therefor, did not appoint their wives to be queen but appointed their mother’s to the position of queen instead. That is why we see Solomon bring a throne for and pay homage to his mother Bathsheba. Bathsheba, Solomon’s Mother, is also Solomon’s Queen.

The Hebrew word for queen-mother or literally “Grand lady” is Gebirah. We see references to the Gebirah elswhere in the Old Testament.

This was after King Jeconiah and the queen mother, the court officials, the princes of Judah and Jerusalem, the artisans and smiths had left Jerusalem. (Jerimiah 29:2)

In fact, the various kings throught he centuries are listed in the Books of Kings and the Books of Chronicals, and with every king, the king’s mother is also listed.

*In the eighteenth year of King Jeroboam, son of Nebat, Abijam became king of Judah; he reigned three years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Maacah, daughter of Abishalom. (1 Kings 15:1-2)

In the eighteenth year of King Jeroboam, Abijah became king of Judah; he reigned three years in Jerusalem. His mother was named Micaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah. (2 Chronicals 13:1-2)

Uzziah was sixteen years old when he became king, and he reigned fifty-two years in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Jecoliah, from Jerusalem. (2 Chronicals 26:3)*

This is just a very small sample. God is telling us who the mother of the king was because the mother of the king was a queen. And in the Old Testament, the queen was who you went to if you wanted to get a favor from the King.

He said, “Please ask King Solomon, who will not refuse you, to give me Abishag the Shunamite to be my wife.” Bathsheba replied, “Very well, I will speak to the king for you. (1 Kings 2:17-18)

If you wanted something from the King, you typically went through the Queen. The magesty of the king cannot be overemphisized. Very few people approached the king directly. To walk into the king’s presence unannounce meant instant death, even for the king’s wives. And we know Jesus is the King. Jesus is the King of kings and Lord of lords. And Mary, his mother, is Jesus Queen. The Queen was who ordinary people went to when they wanted something from the King.

***A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown *of twelve stars. (Revelation 12:1)

We can argue who the woman in Revelation 12 is but the fact that she wears a crown is clear. Only Kings and Queens wear crowns. The woman is clearly a Queen. The woman is described as giving birth to a male child who rules the nations. The description of a woman queen with a son who rules nations is consistent with the Old Testament Kings and their Gebirah. The fact that the woman’s son in Revelation 12 is “Caught up to God and his throne” leads most Christians to believe that the child is Jesus. The mother can only be Mary, and Mary is Queen.

That is our relationship to Mary, a Queen who rules, but who goes to her son the King on behalf of the needs of her subjects whom she loves. Mary is the Gebirah, just like the mother’s of the king in the Old Testament, and Mary is who we should go to when we want the favors listed in the original post.

-Tim-
 
x1980x said:
From a Protestant perspective, it would be deemed superstitious and quite possibly Pagan, especially considering that it could be seen as an Idol as well as the fact that Christian sacramentals are nowhere spoken of in Scripture.
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I agree.

Failure to understand the typology of the Old Testament and their fulfillment in the New Testament is a common error of Protestantism.

-Tim-
 
Not adding anything other than…as a seeker you asked a bold question! A good question, even some Catholics struggled with it (Erasmus and to a degree Aqunas) may the Holy Spirit guide you to the Truth of Christ. Thanks for posting your question and concerns!:cool::):cool: Pax!
 
The heart of the Rosary is the meditations. It is not simply the recitation of Our Fathers and Hail Marys. With each decade of the Rosary, we contemplate, ponder, a different Mystery of Christ. Christ is at the centre of the Rosary and the more we pray the Rosary, the closer to Christ we come.

All of the Mysteries are from the Bible.

Joyful Mysteries:
The Annunciation
The Visitation
The Nativity
The Presentation (or the circumcision)
The Finding of the boy Jesus at the Temple

The Luminous Mysteres (added by Pope John Paul II):
The Baptism of Jesus
The Wedding at Cana
The Proclamation of the Kingdom
The Transfiguration
The Institution of the Eucharist

The Sorrowful Mysteries:
The Agony in the Garden
The Scourging at the Pillar
The Crowning with Thorns
The Carrying of the Cross
The Crucifixtion

The Glorious Mysteries:
The Resurrection
The Ascension
The Descent of the Holy Spirit
The Assumption of Mary
The Coronation of Mary as Queen of Heaven
 
kdganey1991 said:
I mean, I’m a little curious. I’m trying to find Christ, and does this seem Holy and authentic? not at all contradicting scriptures?
  1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces…
(etc.)
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I think it is worth pointing out that a number of Catholic sacramentals have lists of promises associated with them, such as the one you provided in your OP. Generally speaking, such lists have been handed down through what is known as “pious tradition” as opposed to Sacred Tradition. Therefore, they are not considered doctrinal and are not found in the Catechism. This does not necessarily mean that everything in such lists is false, but I think that they should be understood (and interpreted) in light of what the Church does, indeed, officially teach.

For example, one of the purposes of using the rosary is to meditate upon events described in the gospels. Naturally, prayerfully contemplating Scripture can be a means by which God channels grace into our lives which, in turn, can help us be better Christians. So this concept seems to affirm much of what the list portrays. However, a person should not think of the rosary as a good-luck charm or some kind of “get out of hell free card”. Such a mentality crosses the line from an authentic Christian devotion into superstition. One should keep in mind that the traditional pious language associated with devotions can sometimes be hyperbolic in nature.
 
The Rosary is an invitation to meditate on the major events in the life, death, and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Meditation is foreign to Protestants – I certainly never learned to meditate when I was Protestant, nor did I ever hear meditation as a form of prayer even mentioned.

If one is alone while saying the Rosary, one may spend as much time as one likes in meditation. The Rosary guarantees that we spend at least the length of time it takes us to say one decade in contemplation of the mystery indicated for that group of prayers, for example, the agony in the garden, and the scorging at the pillar, and the crowning with thorns, and Jesus carrying his cross, and the crucifixion. The prayers of the Rosary are like background music to mental prayer. The concentration, the focus, is on the mysteries, not the words.

It take a little effort to learn to meditate, but it’s well worth it!

So happy to be Catholic!
 
EricFilmer said:
I think it is worth pointing out that a number of Catholic sacramentals have lists of promises associated with them, such as the one you provided in your OP. Generally speaking, such lists have been handed down through what is known as “pious tradition” as opposed to Sacred Tradition. Therefore, they are not considered doctrinal and are not found in the Catechism. This does not necessarily mean that everything in such lists is false, but I think that they should be understood (and interpreted) in light of what the Church does, indeed, officially teach.

For example, one of the purposes of using the rosary is to meditate upon events described in the gospels. Naturally, prayerfully contemplating Scripture can be a means by which God channels grace into our lives which, in turn, can help us be better Christians. So this concept seems to affirm much of what the list portrays. However, a person should not think of the rosary as a good-luck charm or some kind of “get out of hell free card”. Such a mentality crosses the line from an authentic Christian devotion into superstition. One should keep in mind that the traditional pious language associated with devotions can sometimes be hyperbolic in nature.
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Excuse me Eric.

I consent that the Catchechism does not speak of recitation of the rosay in the context of the specific items mentioned in the OP, but it does speak of Mary’s "salutary [beneficial]influence on men in fairly clear terms.

***969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation **. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”

970 “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.” "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source*

-Tim-
 
x1980x said:
From a Protestant perspective, it would be deemed superstitious and quite possibly Pagan, especially considering that it could be seen as an Idol as well as the fact that Christian sacramentals are nowhere spoken of in Scripture.
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An atheist would same the same of your faith in Christ.😛
How is the Rosary supersitious may i ask?
 
I have met Catholics who…eased to the Rosary using the EO “Jesus Prayer”…worth thinking about , I have a 33 bead “chot.” I pray at times…it is useful…IMHO :cool:
 
TimothyH said:
Excuse me Eric.

I consent that the Catchechism does not speak of recitation of the rosay in the context of the specific items mentioned in the OP, but it does speak of Mary’s "salutary [beneficial]influence on men in fairly clear terms.
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Yes, I most certainly agree. And not only do I acknowledge such catechetical teachings, I would also like to point out for the sake of this thread discussion that I have experienced Mary’s love and motherly assistance in my life countless times. I have been committed to praying the rosary daily for several years.
***969 “This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation ***. . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.”
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970 “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men . . . flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it.” "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source
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It is good that you posted these paragraphs from the Catechism for the sake of this discussion. Going back to my earlier statement, I did not mean to sound like I was diminishing the important role Mary plays as the Mother of the Church. Therefore, let me clarify what I was trying to say earlier: When one contemplates lists of promises attached to devotions, one should interpret them in light of what the Catechism actually teaches concerning Mary’s role as intercessor (such as in the paragraphs you provided) as well as what the Catechism teaches concerning the effects of grace, the merits of prayerfully contemplating Scripture, etc.
 
Frankly, the rosary does seem to be a medieval invention that gained prominence after the the victory at the Battle of Lepanto was attributed to it.
 
x1980x said:
From a Protestant perspective, it would be deemed superstitious and quite possibly Pagan, especially considering that it could be seen as an Idol as well as the fact that Christian sacramentals are nowhere spoken of in Scripture.
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Of course Christian sacramentals are mentioned in scripture. Paul blessed pieces of cloth (variously referred to as towels or handkerchiefs) that were then taken and used to heal people. That is what a sacramental is - an object which is blessed and used for a holy purpose (prayer in the case of the Rosary).

Besides which, the promises are not attached to the sacramental - the physical object - but to the prayers, regardless of whether the beads are even used or, for example, one’s fingers for the counting of prayers.

And lest you get started on repetitious prayer, I’ll remind you that that is not wrong per se either - the very angels of heaven unceasingly repeat the prayer ‘Holy Holy Holy!’ in Praise of God after all.
 
x1980x said:
From a Protestant perspective, it would be deemed superstitious and quite possibly Pagan, especially considering that it could be seen as an Idol as well as the fact that Christian sacramentals are nowhere spoken of in Scripture.
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The Holy Rosary was revealed to St. Dominic around the year 1245 in an apparition of the Virgin Mary.

The beads had been around for many centuries among the Jews, Muslims and Hindu. The format we pray nowaday was the one revealed by the Blessed Virgin Mary to St. Dominic.

I am Catholic, in hoc signo vinces.
 
x1980x said:
From a Protestant perspective, it would be deemed superstitious and quite possibly Pagan, especially considering that it could be seen as an Idol as well as the fact that Christian sacramentals are nowhere spoken of in Scripture.
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Sacramentals are spoken of in Scripture, and if contemplation of the events of the life, death, and resurrection of Our Lord is “superstitious” and “idolatrous,” we’d all better abandon Christianity immediately. Naw, it’s man-made Protestantism that should be abandoned. 😃

Jim Dandy
Former Protestant, ecstatic to be Catholic!
 
kdganey1991 said:
I mean, I’m a little curious. I’m trying to find Christ, and does this seem Holy and authentic? not at all contradicting scriptures?
  1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary shall receive signal graces.
  2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
  3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against Hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.
  4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of men from the love of the world and its vanities and will lead them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
  5. The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
  6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its sacred mysteries, shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God and become worthy of eternal life.
  7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
  8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plenitude of His graces; at the moment of death, they shall participate in the merits of the saints in Paradise.
  9. I shall deliver from Purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
    (I mean, this one gets me thinking…)
  10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
  11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
  12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
  13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire Celestial Court during their life and at the hour of death.
  14. All who recite the Rosary are my sons, and brothers of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
  15. Devotion to my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
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Wow! Thanks for posting this. I didn’t know the rosary has so much power! And Mary too, she’s at the level of Jesus! No - maybe greater than Jesus, because Jesus always say He does the will of the Father. So, we serve her if we recite the rosary? These are all new to me. By the way, how did you know Mary made all these claims? I’ve not seen anyone here at CAF protesting, so this must all be true. Wow!
 
"…(and you yourself a sword will pierce)so that thethought of many hearts may be revealed…(Luke2: 35)

How prophetic. And it ain’t a pretty sight, is it?
 
Well I have a question:
does the CC teach Mary had no pain on childbirth,

Not explicitly defined in the dogma above, but still the ordinary teaching of the Church:
“To Eve it was said: ‘In pain you shall bring forth children’ (Gen. 3:16). Mary was exempt from this law, for
preserving her virginal integrity inviolate, she brought forth Jesus the Son of God, without experiencing, as we have
already said, any sense of pain.” (The Catechism of the Council of Trent, issued by order of Pope Pius V, 1566, from
English translation in Robert I. Bradley, S.J. and Eugene Kevane (eds.), The Roman Catechism, pp. 49-50)
2) The Church Fathers connect it with Isaiah 66:7 and also Mary’s preservation from sin & death:
“As the Son has been given to us without a father, so the Child has been born without a birth. As the Virgin herself
did not know how the body that received divinity was formed in her own body, so neither did she notice the birth.
Even the prophet Isaiah affirms that her giving birth was without pain, when he says: ‘Before the pangs of birth
arrived, a male child came forth and was born’ (Is 66:7)… Just as she who introduced death into nature by her sin
was condemned to bear children in suffering and travail, it was necessary that the Mother of life, after having
conceived in joy, should give birth in joy as well. No wonder that the angel said to her, ‘Rejoice, O full of grace!’
(Lk 1:28). With these words he took from her the burden of that sorrow which, from the beginning of creation, has
been imposed on birth because of sin.” (St. Gregory of Nyssa, On the Song of Songs 13; PG 44, as quoted in
Gambero, Mary and the Fathers of the Church, p. 158, before 397 AD)
“In conceiving you were all pure, in giving birth you were without pain.” (St. Augustine, Sermone de Nativitate)

So how would Rev… 12 mean Mary which said the woman had pain.

Thank you.
 
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