Is The Sabbatine Privilege true?

[Pythagoras]

Is The Sabbatine Privilege true?

I went to my confession and asked the priest to give me the permission to say Rosary instead of the Divine Office. It looks like he is not familiar with the Sabbatine Privelege so I was not able to get his permission. I already observe the other conditions like wearing the Scapular and observe chastity

 

[JM3]

“The Sabbatine privilege thus consists essentially in the early liberation from purgatory, through the special intercession and petition of Mary, which she graciously exercises in favour of her devoted servants preferentially — as we may assume — on the day consecrated to her, Saturday. Furthermore, the conditions for the gaining of the privilege are of such a kind as justify a special trust in the assistance of Mary. It is especially required of all who wish to share in the privilege that they faithfully preserve their chastity, and recite devoutly each day the Little Hours of the Blessed Virgin. However, all those who are bound to read their Breviary, fulfil the obligation of reciting the Little Hours by reading their Office. Persons who cannot read must (instead of reciting the Little Hours) observe all the fasts prescribed by the Church as they are kept in their home diocese or place of residence, and must in addition abstain from flesh meat on all Wednesdays and Saturdays of the year, except when Christmas falls on one of these days. The obligation to read the Little Hours and to abstain from flesh meat on Wednesday and Saturday may on important grounds be changed for other pious works; the faculty to sanction this change was granted to all confessors by Leo XIII in the Decree of the Congregation of Indulgences of 11 (14) June, 1901.”

It doesn’t seem to appear in the Enchiridion Of Indulgences.

 

[drforjc]

From the official Catechesis on the Brown Scapular issued jointly by the Carmelites of the Ancient Observance and the Discalced Carmelite orders:

What is the official status of the Sabbatine Privilege?
Historical research has shown that the alleged fourteenth-century appearance of the Blessed Mother to Pope John XXII is without historical foundation. As a matter of fact, in the year 1613 the Holy See determined that the decree establishing the “Sabbatine Privilege” was unfounded and the Church admonished the Carmelite Order not to preach this doctrine. Unfortunately, the Order did not always comply with this directive of the Holy See.
At the time the Carmelites were instructed to stop mentioning the “Sabbatine Privilege” the Holy See acknowledged that the faithful may devoutly believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary by her continuous intercession, merciful prayers, merits, and special protection will assist the souls of deceased brothers and sisters and members of the confraternity, especially on Saturday, the day which the church dedicates to the Blessed Virgin.
Consistent with the Catholic tradition, such favors associated with the wearing of the Brown Scapular would be meaningless without the wearers living and dying in the state of grace, observing chastity according to their state in life, and living a life of prayer and penitence. The promises traditionally tied to the scapular offer us what the Second Vatican Council says about the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary: “By her maternal love, Mary cares for the brothers and sisters of her Son, who still make their earthly journey surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led to their happy fatherland.

 

[MaryHelp777]

From the official Catechesis on the Brown Scapular issued jointly by the Carmelites of the Ancient Observance and the Discalced Carmelite orders:

DID you know that Our Lady appeared to one of the Popes to give the Sabbatine Privilege to him?

And that the Pope who had that vision brought about the Sabbatine Privilege devotion?

How higher authority on earth can you get than the Pope?

 

[PaulfromIowa]

DID you know that Our Lady appeared to one of the Popes to give the Sabbatine Privilege to him?

And that the Pope who had that vision brought about the Sabbatine Privilege devotion?

How higher authority on earth can you get than the Pope?

Please read this official statement from the Carmelite Order:

carmelitanacollection.com/catechesis.html

Especially note this part:

What is the official status of the Sabbatine Privilege?
Historical research has shown that the alleged fourteenth-century appearance of the Blessed Mother to Pope John XXII is without historical foundation. As a matter of fact, in the year 1613 the Holy See determined that the decree establishing the “Sabbatine Privilege” was unfounded and the Church admonished the Carmelite Order not to preach this doctrine. Unfortunately, the Order did not always comply with this directive of the Holy See.

 

[porthos11]

DID you know that Our Lady appeared to one of the Popes to give the Sabbatine Privilege to him?

And that the Pope who had that vision brought about the Sabbatine Privilege devotion?

How higher authority on earth can you get than the Pope?

The Carmelite catechesis is clear: the so-called vision to the Pope is historically suspect.

The Sabbatine Privilege has been downplayed by both the Carmelite orders and the Holy See.

carmelitanacollection.com/catechesis.php

I will re-paste, with emphasis, what drforjc has already posted:

Historical research has shown that the alleged fourteenth-century appearance of the Blessed Mother to Pope John XXII is without historical foundation. As a matter of fact, in the year 1613 the Holy See determined that the decree establishing the “Sabbatine Privilege” was unfounded and the Church admonished the Carmelite Order not to preach this doctrine. Unfortunately, the Order did not always comply with this directive of the Holy See.

 

[MaryHelp777]

: "The privilege of Pope John XXII, commonly vulgo ] known as the Sabbatine, which was approved and confirmed by Clement VII (“Ex clementi”, 12 August 1530), St. Pius V (“Superna dispositione”, 18 Feb., 1566), Gregory XIII (“Ut laudes”, 18 Sept., 1577), and others, and also by the Holy Roman General Inquisition under Paul V on 20 January, 1613, in a Decree to the following effect:

It is permitted to the Carmelite Fathers to preach that theChristian people may piously believe in the help which thesouls of brothers and members, who have departed this life in charity, have worn in life the scapular, have ever observed chastity, have recited the Little Hours [of the Blessed Virgin], or, if they cannot read, have observed the fast days of the Church, and have abstained from flesh meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays (except when Christmas falls on such days), may derive after death – especially on Saturdays, the day consecrated by the Church to the Blessed Virgin – through the unceasingintercession of Mary, her pious petitions, her merits, and her special protection.
With this explanation and interpretation, the Sabbatine privilege no longer presents any difficulties, and Benedict XIV adds his desire that the faithful should rely on it (Opera omnia, IX, Venice, 1767, pp. 197 sqq.). Even apart from the Bull and the tradition or legend concerning the apparition and promise of the Mother of God the interpretation of the Decree cannot be contested.

The obligation to read the Little Hours and to abstain from flesh meat on Wednesday and Saturday may on important grounds be changed for other pious works; the faculty to sanction this change was granted to all confessors by Leo XIII in the Decree of the Congregation of Indulgences of 11 (14) June, 1901.

 

[MaryHelp777]

Our Lady appeared in Fatima holding the brown scapular and the rosary, during the miracle of the sun.

And St Louis De Monfort prophecies; “One day through the rosary and brown scapular the Immaculate Heart will Triumph.”

St John Bosco and St Alphonsus Liguria, both died, and their entire remains disintegrated and became Ashes in their graves like normal corpses, including their clothing.
However both their brown scapular were found completely incorrupt and preserved when their bodies were exhumed, and both their brown scapular are on display for the faithful to venerate.

 

[Jeannie52]

The information below states more information about when the Virgin Mary appeared to Simon Stock as She was holding a Brown Scapular. ( I provided the link below from where I found this information but I don’t know if it will work. I have never included a link with my comments in these forums so I might need a little help and thank you in advance for your patience.)

catholic.org/saints/saint

"Although little is known about Simon Stock’s early life, legend has it that the name Stock, meaning “tree trunk,” derives from the fact that, beginning at age twelve, he lived as a hermit in a hollow tree trunk of an oak tree. It is also believed that, as a young man, he went on a pilgrimage to the Holy Land where he joined a group of Carmelites with whom he later returned to Europe. Simon Stock founded many Carmelite Communities, especially in University towns such as Cambridge, Oxford, Paris, and Bologna, and he helped to change the Carmelites from a hermit Order to one of mendicant friars. In 1254 he was elected Superior-General of his Order at London. Simon Stock’s lasting fame came from an apparition he had in Cambridge, England, on July 16, 1251, at a time when the Carmelite Order was being oppressed.

“In it the Virgin Mary appeared to him holding the brown scapular in one hand. Her words were: “Receive, my beloved son, this scapular of thy Order; it is the special sign of my favor, which I have obtained for thee and for thy children of Mount Carmel. He who dies clothed with this habit shall be preserved from eternal fire. It is the badge of salvation, a shield in time of danger, and a pledge of special peace and protection.” The scapular (from the Latin, scapula, meaning “shoulder blade”) consists of two pieces of cloth, one worn on the chest, and the other on the back, which were connected by straps or strings passing over the shoulders. In certain Orders, monks and nuns wear scapulars that reach from the shoulders almost to the ground as outer garments. Lay persons usually wear scapulars underneath their clothing; these consist of two pieces of material only a few inches square. There are elaborate rules governing the wearing of the scapular: although it may be worn by any Catholic, even an infant, the investiture must be done by a priest. And the scapular must be worn in the proper manner; if an individual neglects to wear it for a time, the benefits are forfeited. The Catholic Church has approved eighteen different kinds of scapulars of which the best known is the woolen brown scapular, or the Scapular of Mount Carmel, that the Virgin Mary bestowed on Simon Stock. His feast day is May 16th.”

 

[drforjc]

Our Lady appeared in Fatima holding the brown scapular and the rosary, during the miracle of the sun.

And St Louis De Monfort prophecies; “One day through the rosary and brown scapular the Immaculate Heart will Triumph.”

St John Bosco and St Alphonsus Liguria, both died, and their entire remains disintegrated and became Ashes in their graves like normal corpses, including their clothing.
However both their brown scapular were found completely incorrupt and preserved when their bodies were exhumed, and both their brown scapular are on display for the faithful to venerate.

We aren’t bashing the Brown Scapular. I wear it myself. On the other hand, I do respect the catechesis of the Carmelite Order, which once again has “custody” of this sacramental.

 

[Mary_Ellen]

As Carmelites we are told not to preach about the Sabbatine Privilege and, when need be, to downplay it because it is historically suspect. The purported papal documents cannot be located. This does not mean that the brown scapular is worthless and we still wear our scapulars with humble devotion to Our Lady of Mount Carmel.

Be at peace.