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ShowersofRoses
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That’s beautiful, love it.
I don’t have any likes left, but I agree with both of you.
Is the Sign of Peace phoney?
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bassmansteiny
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I don’t feel it is phony, I defentley get something out of the sign of peace. I would miss the sign of peace if it was removed from the Mass, dont worry what those other people say 
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BlueMaxx
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AMEN!Rob2:
And all introverts gave a sigh of relieve when it happened.
OCD germaphobes also breathed a sigh of relief into their weird Asian face masks…
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kainosktisis
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Wow! Opus lives! I still have my stuffed Opus on the bookshelf! 
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Reuben_J
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The sign of peace is symbolic to the whole people of God, not particularly to the person whom you exchange the sign.
Thus we should not do it to everyone in the congregation as it may cause distraction to the mass but to the persons next to you.
Anyway, this is often over done or under done, which people see too much into.
Thus we should not do it to everyone in the congregation as it may cause distraction to the mass but to the persons next to you.
Anyway, this is often over done or under done, which people see too much into.
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anon10271182
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I just stand there and pray. Don’t shake hands either, just smile and say “Pax Christi” or another Latin greeting.
The first person touching my palm in the OF Mass is the priest–the second Person is Jesus Christ.
I’ve muted all response notifications. Still see likes, though. Nice PMs always welcome. Have a blessed day!
The first person touching my palm in the OF Mass is the priest–the second Person is Jesus Christ.
I’ve muted all response notifications. Still see likes, though. Nice PMs always welcome. Have a blessed day!
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Pup7
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Again, unless you chew your hands, lick them, or scratch your eye, you’re highly unlikely to get sick as an otherwise healthy adult from shaking someone’s hand. And even our post-bone marrow transplant patients - who have absolutely no immune system - were less likely to get sick from a touch over using a public bathroom.
This is why we (meaning healthcare professionals) are always lecturing about hand washing. The handle on a shopping cart and the door on a public bathroom - the OUTSIDE door to the bathroom - are far dirtier and are far larger vectors of infection over a very simple handshake.
Unless you licked that kid’s hand it’s unlikely he was the source of your stomach bug.
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brian_custer
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my wife IS a “health care professional” ie RN
she graduated w/honors
her aunt was the dean of nursing at a university
she sees this issue differently
i don’t want to fight about this
if someone offers me their hand; i will accept it
she chooses not to during flu season
she graduated w/honors
her aunt was the dean of nursing at a university
she sees this issue differently
i don’t want to fight about this
if someone offers me their hand; i will accept it
she chooses not to during flu season
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Tis_Bearself
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Giving someone a sign of peace at Mass doesn’t mean I automatically become their best bosom buddy and am going to remember them the next day, much less chat with them on the street.
In many places in USA, people passing in the street do not greet each other. That only happens if you know the person well, or else perhaps if you’re in the South or some parts of the Midwest where people put a high value on casual friendliness.
The Sign of Peace is a symbolic gesture.
In many places in USA, people passing in the street do not greet each other. That only happens if you know the person well, or else perhaps if you’re in the South or some parts of the Midwest where people put a high value on casual friendliness.
The Sign of Peace is a symbolic gesture.
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Augustinian
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That has nothing to do with the liturgy, just the fact that Americans don’t really know many of their neighbors, the people who live in their parish.
Back in the day, people shopped more locally- you didn’t have Walmart Super Center and other colossal stores, they worked nearby, the doctor’s office was in the neighborhood, kids went to the neighborhood schools. It was just easier to know people who lived nearby and went to the same church. That world was fading when the liturgy changed- but that is just a coincidence.
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Erikaspirit16
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Is the sign of peace phoney? Maybe. The only person I ever know at Mass is my dentist, who is an usher. As far as I know, I have never seen any of the other people before–even week to week. But my facial recognition is pretty bad.
Why would it be phoney? Well, theoretically it’s a good idea. But then take a look at all the threads (I think one is going right now entitled “Unwelcome…”) that discuss how unfriendly the Catholic Church is as a group. If congregations were all friendly and welcoming, we wouldn’t see those threads. But we do–constantly. And most people on the threads talk about how unfriendly Catholics are. So, bearing all that in mind…how sincere is the sign of peace? Not very, I think.
Another point: according to GIRM, the priest is supposed to stay in the sanctuary and greet the people in the sanctuary (altar servers, deacon, etc.), not plunge into the congregation. I’ve been to Masses where the priest plunges into the crowd like a rock star, high fiving everyone. Please. The only thing missing is the mosh pit and crowd surfing.
In other threads I’ve given my personal list of the top 10 things you could easily do to make a parish more welcoming. I even talked it over with a local deacon. He agreed with me, but thought it would never happen. If the priest thought being welcoming were important, he would make it important. There may be a few out there that do that, but I’ve never run across them, and I travel a lot!
Why would it be phoney? Well, theoretically it’s a good idea. But then take a look at all the threads (I think one is going right now entitled “Unwelcome…”) that discuss how unfriendly the Catholic Church is as a group. If congregations were all friendly and welcoming, we wouldn’t see those threads. But we do–constantly. And most people on the threads talk about how unfriendly Catholics are. So, bearing all that in mind…how sincere is the sign of peace? Not very, I think.
Another point: according to GIRM, the priest is supposed to stay in the sanctuary and greet the people in the sanctuary (altar servers, deacon, etc.), not plunge into the congregation. I’ve been to Masses where the priest plunges into the crowd like a rock star, high fiving everyone. Please. The only thing missing is the mosh pit and crowd surfing.
In other threads I’ve given my personal list of the top 10 things you could easily do to make a parish more welcoming. I even talked it over with a local deacon. He agreed with me, but thought it would never happen. If the priest thought being welcoming were important, he would make it important. There may be a few out there that do that, but I’ve never run across them, and I travel a lot!
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TheOldColonel
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It’s only as phoney as you want it to be. The sky’s the limit.
blackforest
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Paul cautions us that we must receive the Eucharist in a state of grace. That is a key purpose for making peace with those around us. For this reason, Catholics should do so with sincerity and authenticity.
I suppose that the practice may be more effective in small and closely knit parishes, where it’s likely that you’re peeved at the guy behind you for showing up late for his shift at the KoC pancake breakfast, or his wife for winning against you in the Parish Council election.
Still, go ahead and make peace with the family behind you - you know, the one with the whiny toddler - or the elderly woman who glared daggers at you when your cell phone vibrated. If that’s what it takes to prepare us for Eucharist, so be it.
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fin
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That is why I rarely make the sign of peace. No biggie, it’s not a sin. Just my preference. Mass isn’t the venue to chill or socialize. That’s just me.
Me too.
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ShowersofRoses
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I don’t want to fight about it, but I just want to point out, that the Sign of Peace is NOT about socializing. Socializing happens after Mass with coffee and doughnuts.
The Sign of Peace is about this:
And this:
Reaching out to each other in love, just as Christ reached out to us. I don’t think it gets any better than that.
I was in my teens , an altar server , @Pup7 , when this priest was a curate in the parish .Rob2:
That is likely the nastiest thing I’ve heard all day. And I’m a nurse.
As a teen I wasn’t too fussed about it , but the fact that I can now remember it quite vividly indicates it made an impression on me .
The memory influences me today when I have the option of receiving Communion directly on to my tongue or in my hand
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DignumEtJustum
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All these 60 posts and no mention that the Sign of Peace is actually optional!
Quoting from the article to which I gave a link in the thread - - - - - - “The sign of peace is a highly symbolic act that is meant to point towards the disposition of heart required for receiving the Holy Eucharist. It reminds the faithful that in order to be in full communion with Christ, one must first “love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength,” and not forget to “love your neighbour as yourself” (Mark 12:30-31).”
I welcomed the reintroduction of the sign of peace for all during the Eucharist as part of the liturgical reforms . We would turn to those on either side of us and give the sign of peace . What I don’t like is someone who feels that he/she should go through the whole congregation with it . I know that is an exaggeration , and if it suits them that’s fine , but I will still find it a little irksome .
My friend who said he found it phoney has a point . Speaking more widely , when we gather to celebrate the Eucharist there is a bond between us which surpasses every other bond in life . It is sad when that bond is not lived out when we are out and about in our daily living . We are part of a welcoming , hospitable community as members of the Church , and if this is not shown outside of the church building , there is something lacking inside of the church building .
Another friend would use the sign of peace as a sign that he desired to be reconciled with someone . If he saw someone in church he had had differences with , he would make a point of giving that person the sign of peace .
It’s a pity some have to use threads such as this one to spout about the Tridentine Mass and the reformed Mass .
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I welcomed the reintroduction of the sign of peace for all during the Eucharist as part of the liturgical reforms . We would turn to those on either side of us and give the sign of peace . What I don’t like is someone who feels that he/she should go through the whole congregation with it . I know that is an exaggeration , and if it suits them that’s fine , but I will still find it a little irksome .
My friend who said he found it phoney has a point . Speaking more widely , when we gather to celebrate the Eucharist there is a bond between us which surpasses every other bond in life . It is sad when that bond is not lived out when we are out and about in our daily living . We are part of a welcoming , hospitable community as members of the Church , and if this is not shown outside of the church building , there is something lacking inside of the church building .
Another friend would use the sign of peace as a sign that he desired to be reconciled with someone . If he saw someone in church he had had differences with , he would make a point of giving that person the sign of peace .
It’s a pity some have to use threads such as this one to spout about the Tridentine Mass and the reformed Mass .
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fin
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There were a few times I could either taste or smell some kind of perfume when I received Communion either from the priest or the EMHC.
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