Is the spirit/soul superior to the body?

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Penny Catechism:
  1. Is this likeness to God in your body, or in your soul?
This likeness to God is chiefly in my soul.
  1. Of which must you take more care, of your body or of your soul?
I must take more care of my soul; for Christ has said, ‘What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and suffers the loss of his own soul?’ (Matt. 16:26)
 
I think its clear the soul is more important. The body is just parts of our shell which we are invested into.

"And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy whole body be cast into hell. "Matthew 5:30
 
I think its clear the soul is more important. The body is just parts of our shell which we are invested into.

"And if thy right hand scandalize thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is expedient for thee that one of thy members should perish, rather than that thy** whole body** be cast into hell. "Matthew 5:30
He does however, say “whole body!”

Your eternal self includes a body.

Body is not an eggshell for the pure spirit. We are not spirits, we are thinking bodies.

Your soul makes you “you”, your body makes you somebody!

ICXC NIKA
 
Being sustained in existence is one thing; being able to function outside one’s nature requires a special intervention of God. Like a donkey talking. A donkey existing may be a miracle in a loose sense of the word, but it is not a suspension of the laws of nature; a donkey talking is. So too a soul functioning without a body. According to St. Thomas, anyhow.
So what is your take on Balaam’s talking donkey? (Numbers 22.28)
 
So God designed the soul without any powers of its own? God directly controls all our actions?
apparantly there is need for clarification in language I used. Rather than use my words, I’ll quote the CCC

(all emphasis mine)

**143 **By faith, man completely submits his intellect and his will to God. With his whole being man gives his assent to God the revealer. Sacred Scripture calls this human response to God, the author of revelation, “the obedience of faith”.
**155 **In faith, the human intellect and will cooperate with divine grace: “Believing is an act of the intellect assenting to the divine truth by command of the will moved by God through grace.”
**1711 **Endowed with a spiritual soul, with intellect and with free will, the human person is from his very conception ordered to God and destined for eternal beatitude. He pursues his perfection in “seeking and loving what is true and good” (*GS *15 § 2).

Re: these terms from the passages above
  • submit
  • assent
  • response
  • obedience
  • cooperate
are attributes we voluntarily do as a result of grace and free will. God does NOT directly control our actions as if we have no free will to submit, assent, respond, obey, and cooperate with God and His grace.

Further:

when we die, (all emphasis mine)

1022 Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a** particular judgment** that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification594 or immediately,595 – or immediate and everlasting damnation.596
At the evening of life, we shall be judged on our love.597

**II. HEAVEN **
1023 Those who die in God’s grace and friendship and are perfectly purified live for ever with Christ. They are like God for ever, for they “see him as he is,” face to face:598
By virtue of our apostolic authority, we define the following: According to the general disposition of God, the souls of all the saints . . . and other faithful who died after receiving Christ’s holy Baptism (provided they were not in need of purification when they died, . . . or, if they then did need or will need some purification, when they have been purified after death, . . .) already before they take up their bodies again and before the general judgment - and this since the Ascension of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ into heaven - have been, are and will be in heaven, in the heavenly Kingdom and celestial paradise with Christ, joined to the company of the holy angels. Since the Passion and death of our Lord Jesus Christ, these souls have seen and do see the divine essence with an intuitive vision, and even face to face, without the mediation of any creature.599

1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

points to further highlight again,
  • This is all before one takes up their body again**.**
  • A soul, without a body,
  • has vision,
  • has intuitive properties, (memory, intellect, and will)
  • experiences immediately after death, depending on their immediate judgement, purgatory first, heaven or hell.
Not my words, it comes from the CCC
 
steve b, your post is rather long. Could you boil it down?
Summary

A soul, without a body,
  • has vision,
  • has intuitive properties, (memory, intellect, and will)
  • experiences immediately after death, depending on their immediate judgement, purgatory first, heaven or hell.
That’s supported by the paragraphs from the CCC that I quoted
 
How is vision supposed to be possible without eyes, when the still-living person might have been unable to see without eyeglasses?

How is mind possible without a head, when just a mild knock on one’s head, or disruption of oxygen to one’s head, can disrupt all mentation?

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How is vision supposed to be possible without eyes, when the still-living person might have been unable to see without eyeglasses?

How is mind possible without a head, when just a mild knock on one’s head, or disruption of oxygen to one’s head, can disrupt all mentation?

ICXC NIKA
I think it will be a different kind of vision and mind when we are no longer with our bodies. . “Eye has not seen… ear has not heard…” There will be a consciousness but no longer dependent on our physical natures. The nearest we come to it in this life is in the world of dreams.
 
I think it will be a different kind of vision and mind when we are no longer with our bodies. . “Eye has not seen… ear has not heard…” There will be a consciousness but no longer dependent on our physical natures. The nearest we come to it in this life is in the world of dreams.
Even dreaming requires a solid head that is normally able to see through its eyes. People born blind do not dream visually.

And dreaming, of course, is imaginary.

The whole human head works to create our dreams (the mind is more active asleep than watching TV). An unconscious body does not dream and a dead head certainly won’t.

So although Saint Augustine compared the afterlife to dream, methinks the parallel breaks down on several levels.

ICXC NIKA.
 
How is vision supposed to be possible without eyes, when the still-living person might have been unable to see without eyeglasses?

How is mind possible without a head, when just a mild knock on one’s head, or disruption of oxygen to one’s head, can disrupt all mentation?

ICXC NIKA
Fr Joseph Mary gave this homily on an EWTN mass.

 
Even dreaming requires a solid head that is normally able to see through its eyes. People born blind do not dream visually.

And dreaming, of course, is imaginary.

The whole human head works to create our dreams (the mind is more active asleep than watching TV). An unconscious body does not dream and a dead head certainly won’t.

So although Saint Augustine compared the afterlife to dream, methinks the parallel breaks down on several levels.

ICXC NIKA.
People who are blind still have a “mind’s eye” - though they can not use their eyes to see, they can still envision the world. When we die we will not have our earthly senses, but I think we will have a consciousness far greater than the one we have on this earth.
 
Probably best not to get too literal or specific wrt bodily related words when we try to understand the awareness proper to a disembodied soul.

At best the terms “vision” “memory” “consciousness” etc without a body are analogical expressions. That is, they are more metaphor or poetry than anything like the actual bodily experience they refer to.

Fact is, nobody really knows.
All our faith seems to tell us is that the disembodied soul is aware in some unknown spiritual fashion just as the bodily senses give us awareness of the bodily world.
For the damned that awareness is painful, for the holy it is a cause of happiness for they are aware of God’s presence more fully than could ever be possible on earth.
 
I say that the Bible has something to say about
the Body. “The body is NOT meant for [things
which are false] but for the LORD, and [the Lord is
best suited for the body]”(1 Cor. 6:13) So my answer
is that the soul is invest-ed in something sacred- the BODY.
 
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