Is the SSPX considered a different religion? Sect? Denomination?

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I know a lot of the Society of SPX, but I’ve never known how to ‘label’ it. If you wanted to tell an outsider how an ordinary Catholic is different than an SSPX Catholic, how would you do it?
 
MillTownCath said:
I know a lot of the Society of SPX, but I’ve never known how to ‘label’ it. If you wanted to tell an outsider how an ordinary Catholic is different than an SSPX Catholic, how would you do it?
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I would say “.They are not a Catholic Organization” and leave it at that!
 
TrueLight said:
Yeah okay. I’m sick of these SSPX threads.
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Then don’t read them? I don’t mean that as critically as it probably sounds, but if you are sick of the subject, why even click on a link with the subject and then take the time to respond that you are sick of it?

Whether we like it or not it’s a relevant issue. Given the amount of contradictory information available, as well as the ever changing landscape of the situation, I can see how people become confused. I admire their desire to stay current and/or to learn about something they don’t currently understand.
 
They are a Catholic organization and the Church views them as such. If they were not Catholic, the Church would be spending zero time trying to talk with them in the first place.
 
YoungTradCath said:
They are a Catholic organization and the Church views them as such. If they were not Catholic, the Church would be spending zero time trying to talk with them in the first place.
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So the Orthodox are a Catholic organization as well because the Church spends a lot of time talking to them.
 
I just sa: SSPX are a group of priests and bishops that have have disagreements with the Vatican, their status as a group within the church is irregular.
 
thomas_jd said:
I would say “.They are not a Catholic Organization” and leave it at that!
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The SSPX are indeed a Catholic organization and the Church considers them as such.They do not deny the primacy of the Holy Father, are not sedevacantists in any degree, accept Pope Benedict XVI as the Pope,but do have various doctrinal issues with the Vatican. They and the Vatican are currently in talks to try to iron these things out. They have valid orders and confect a valid Eucharist. They do not have facilities in any Diocese that I am aware of but the Church considers them to be part of the Catholic Church. They are in what is termed an irregular status within the Church. At one point the Church did excommunicate their founder and four Bishops that he consecrated without Vatican consent. The founder has long since passed away and the excommunications on the four Bishops have been recently lifted.

That is really all that needs to be said on the subject. And it has been said ad nauseum on this as well as other forums.
 
“Irregular” just seems kind of squishy. “Renegade” works better in my opinion.
 
Mike30 said:
The SSPX are indeed a Catholic organization and the Church considers them as such.They do not deny the primacy of the Holy Father, are not sedevacantists in any degree, accept Pope Benedict XVI as the Pope,but do have various doctrinal issues with the Vatican. They and the Vatican are currently in talks to try to iron these things out. They have valid orders and confect a valid Eucharist. They do not have facilities in any Diocese that I am aware of but the Church considers them to be part of the Catholic Church. They are in what is termed an irregular status within the Church. At one point the Church did excommunicate their founder and four Bishops that he consecrated without Vatican consent. The founder has long since passed away and the excommunications on the four Bishops have been recently lifted.

That is really all that day to be said on the subject. And it has been said ad nauseum on this as well as other forums.
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Completly incorrect!
My information came from the Church.
What is truly amazing is the constant agenda of Disobedience that this subject draws from the uninformed!
They are not a Catholic Orginization.
 
thomas_jd said:
Completly incorrect!
My information came from the Church.
What is truly amazing is the constant agenda of Disobedience that this subject draws from the uninformed!
They are not a Catholic Orginization.
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If you want to see an “agenda of Disobedience”, visit a few Jesuit colleges sometime.
Does that then make the Jesuits “not a Catholic Orginization.” ?
 
ConstantineTG said:
So the Orthodox are a Catholic organization as well because the Church spends a lot of time talking to them.
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The SSPX is a Catholic organization because it considers itself such, it uses Catholic liturgical rites, it has a Catholic structure, and it is no secret that they are talking to the hierarchy at this very moment in history about being reintegrated with the mainstream Church. I don’t know if the Orthodox Churches consider themselves Catholic and I’m not really sure of their status regarding how they view the papacy, so I don’t really care to talk about that, but I don’t imagine the average Orthodox person considers himself Catholic. However, I don’t actually know. The average SSPXer does consider himself Catholic. That’s the difference, and is what matters.
 
YoungTradCath said:
The SSPX is a Catholic organization because it considers itself such, it uses Catholic liturgical rites, it has a Catholic structure, and it is no secret that they are talking to the hierarchy at this very moment in history about being reintegrated with the mainstream Church.
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This is not correct. It is an unofficial organization of Catholics, but it is not a Catholic organization, which term has a defined canonical meaning and is not satisfied by the SSPX.
 
MarkThompson said:
This is not correct. It is an unofficial organization of Catholics, but it is not a Catholic organization, which term has a defined canonical meaning and is not satisfied by the SSPX.
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Oops. Well I didn’t know that was canonically defined, as it seemed a bit vague of a term. I didn’t mean it in its official sense.
 
thomas_jd said:
Completly incorrect!
My information came from the Church.
What is truly amazing is the constant agenda of Disobedience that this subject draws from the uninformed!
They are not a Catholic Orginization.
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If not then why does the Church eagerly want them to come into a regular status with Church as a group instead of as individuals?

While quite true they have no valid ministry within the Church at this time at one time they did and I would dare say that they will in the future, under the same leadership that they have now, more than likely. The Church considers them to be a society, hence an organization, treats them as such and considers them to be Catholic. The Church has also allowed in some cases for people to satisfy their Sunday obligations by attending SSPX Masses.

I am not an SSPX supporter in any fashion but the almost vitriolic hatred that so many people have for them really appals me and appears almost to be irrational unles motivated by something deeper. All this hatred for disobedience?

It is interesting tonote that the Vatican does not feel the same way and never has.
 
MarkThompson said:
This is not correct. It is an unofficial organization of Catholics, but it is not a Catholic organization, which term has a defined canonical meaning and is not satisfied by the SSPX.
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Could you point me to where this definition can be found?
 
Mike30 said:
Could you point me to where this definition can be found?
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See generally CIC nos. 298-329. The SSPX was at one time a pious union canonically organized within the Diocese of Fribourg, Germany, but its pious union status was withdrawn in 1975 and its canonical existence ended.
 
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