Is the SSPX now in communion with the Holy See?

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I keep getting different answers. If I go to an SSPX EF Mass is my Sunday obligation fulfilled?
 
The SSPX is still – not in full communion with the Catholic Church.

If – you go to Mass with the SSPX – it’s at your own risk.
 
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Why would any Catholic associate with group that believes the Mass is evil?
 
The Pope has been trying to build bridges with the SSPX for many years. Hopefully they will be in full communion soon, though as of now they are not.
From what I have read, the Mass does fulfill the Sunday obligation though.
 
The Pope has made very generous offers toward full communion with the SSPX. As of today they have rejected his offer.
 
What is it that they disagree with? At the Mass there is A Vatican flag and we do pray for the Pope. I don’t imagine that would be the case if it wasn’t in communion with the Holy See.
 
A lot of people are severely misinformed about the SSPX. I too, at one point, was as well. However, by God’s grace, I am now a supporter of the Society, and God-willing, I will also be entering their seminary very soon. If one studies the history of the SSPX as objectively as possible, he would soon discover that they are nothing like how many people attempt to portray them as.
 
The SSPX is still in an irregular situation. They have not obtained full communion with the Catholic Church. So again – at your own risk.
 
Have you studied the history of the SSPX or do you just blindly follow whatever the modernists say?
 
Have you studied the history of the SSPX or do you just blindly follow whatever the modernists say?
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Well there it is – the “fruits” of toxic kool-aide.
 
The SSPX have never said mass is evil. Instead, they state that there are very grave problems with the Novus Ordo Missae, therefore, they refuse it.
 
You avoid my question and claim that I am toxic. Perhaps, you should try actually answering the questions on this thread (beginning with the OP’s). Also, if one looks at the Church’s history these past 50-60 years, it is very apparent that the errors of modernism is running rampant.
 
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The SSPX have never said mass is evil. Instead, they state that there are very grave problems with the Novus Ordo Missae, therefore, they refuse it.
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Below is from the SSPX US district website. So you were saying…
Now, even if one wanted to contest the heretical elements of the New Mass, the sole refusal to profess Catholic dogmas quintessential to the Mass renders the new liturgy deficient. It is like a captain who refuses to provide his shipmen with a proper diet. They soon become sick with scurvy due, not so much to direct poison, as from vitamin deficiency. Such is the New Mass. At best, it provides a deficient spiritual diet to the faithful. The correct definition of evil—lack of a due good—clearly shows that the New Mass is evil in and of itself regardless of the circumstances. It is not evil by positive profession of heresy. It is evil by lacking what Catholic dogma should profess: the True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the ministerial priesthood. This deficiency had already been denounced by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci months before the New Mass was promulgated:
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Well – thank you – for verifying where the SSPX stands. And the poison that flows from it.
 
And this would explain the lack of full communion with the Catholic Church …
 
The Mass of Pope Pius V and the Mass of Pope Paul Vl are both beautiful when done correctly.

To call the EF the “Traditional Latin Mass” is a informality. The OF is originally in Latin as well. I’ve been to ordinary form masses in Latin.

The Mass of Pope Paul Vl has only been the Ordinary form for 47 years now. For people to talk negatively about the Mass of Pope Pius V negatively is an unfortunate criticism to the many generations of our ancestors who worshipped in this form.

The problem I have personally with the OF is mainly the consecration or the Eucharist. The responses are not needed. The sign of peace also is not needed. I feel personally more as one with Christ under the EF.

That is just my feeling on it.
 
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I keep getting different answers. If I go to an SSPX EF Mass is my Sunday obligation fulfilled?
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Technically yes, because the Mass is valid. However I encourage you to read this EWTN article, which has some information from Ecclesia Dei. Of note:

The Masses they celebrate are also valid, but it is considered morally illicit for the faithful to participate in these Masses unless they are physically or morally impeded from participating in a Mass celebrated by a Catholic priest in good standing (cf. Code of Canon Law, canon 844.2). The fact of not being able to assist at the celebration of the so-called “Tridentine” Mass is not considered a sufficient motive for attending such Masses.

*Before anyone objects to makes hay with the term “so-called”, it’s likely the Commission would rather refer to it using the term “the Missal of 1962” or some such.

If you attend a Mass with the SSPX, you are attending an illicit Mass being celebrated by a suspended priest who willingly chose to join a Society knowing he’d be suspended automatically, whose Confessions are only valid now thanks to an incredibly merciful Pope to whom the Society seemingly can’t stand.

Regardless of how much you love the Extraordinary Form, I’d advise against going to a SSPX Mass.
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Have you studied the history of the SSPX or do you just blindly follow whatever the modernists say?
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I have studied the history of the SSPX, yes. Rather extensively.

I’ve spent a great deal of time studying Saint Francis and Saint Dominic, which included how they began their respective Orders, along with how they went about reforming certain behaviors and attitudes within the church at the time.

More recently, I’ve also personally witnessed a community of priests become officially ratified as a Society of Apostolic Life. In 2003 I was present at the Mass in which their newfound status was celebrated. I’m privileged to know several long time members, which as a result I’m familiar with the canonical protocol that needs to be followed.

There are several irregular events that surround the SSPX, which include(s) how Bishop Lefebvre went about trying to get the Society recognized, and the actions leading up the very valid excommunications of Bishop Lefebvre and those whom he consecrated. Further, denying the validity of their current suspended status and universal removal of their facilities is it deny the Pope his due authority of holding the Keys - the chief judge of Canon Law.

I’m not saying that Bishop Lefebvre et all are entirely to blame here either, there was those who opposed the very idea of a community dedicated to the Missal of 1962. However at the end of the day, when the Pope tells you “Canon Law doesn’t apply here”, it doesn’t. Flagrant disobedience is a bad thing when “liberals” and “modernists” do it, the same as it’s a bad thing when “traditionalists” do it too.
 
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Clergy and theologians seems to be split on whether or not an SSPX Mass fulfills the Sunday obligation. When taking Canon Law on its face, it would appear that it does. The SSPX, while arguably not in full communion, are not out of communion either, which qualifies them as a Catholic rite under the relevant canon. There was also that letter from Rome quite a while back stating that one could in good conscience attend an SSPX Mass, but that was in response to a specific individual in a specific situation.The reality of the situation is somewhat more nuanced, and I can’t give a definitive answer either way

I will say this though, the fact that Pope Francis has allowed Catholics to receive absolution from SSPX priests seems to imply that their Masses do in fact fulfill the obligation. If they did not, then the faithful who attended SSPX chapels, and who intended to continue to do so, would be deliberately persisting in mortal sin and therefore unable to receive absolution from any priest. Even given that, and though I am somewhat sympathetic to the SSPX, I personally would not attend a Mass of obligation at one of their chapels until they were officially regularized, or until an instruction were issued by Rome explicitly permitting it.
 
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