Therefore I protest Islam because I don’t accept their prophet, I protest Hinduism because I don’t accept their gods, and so on.
I agree.
You have this mixed up. Zwingli was the father of the ReformedChurch in Switzerland in the German speaking regions (mainly Zurich), while Calvin and Knox were everywhere else. Zwingli was not the father of the Anabaptists. I used to like the idea of being called Evangelical Catholic when I was Lutheran in theology, but it is a contradiction, as Evangelical (evangelische in german) means Protestant, while Catholic is Catholic. But you’re right on the views of the Mass.
Yep. It’s often attributed to her. And certainly it doesn’t rule out transubstantiation as an explanation of the Real Presence, that the elements are, after consecration by proper persons, in proper manner, the body and blood, soul and divinity of Christ, if one were looking for an exposition of how the wheels are going around. I don’t have a better one, for sure. But then, it is fortunate that, as Lewis has a character say in LETTERS TO MALCOLM, the instructions were “Take, eat”, not “Take, understand”. Even if one accepts transubstantiation as such an explanation, one is left with a mystery.
If one’s communion truly practices sola scriptura, whether or not said communion builds a building is not a doctinal issue. Since the choice to do so or not is not a doctrinal issue, sola scriptura is irrelevent.
Jon
Ah, so we’re both Protestants!
When I was on the BBC “Christian topic” forum, the moderators deleted one of my posts because I used the word “Proddy”. I got them to change their minds. Proddy might once have been derogatory, but isn’t really now. We were called Proddies (or Prods) by the RCs in Ireland, and would also use the word to desribe ourselves. (A similar scenario applies to the word Pom in Aus, describing someone English).
We do not protest against the one true church. We consider ourselves members of it. We do not protest against your orders or consider them invalid. But you protest against ours.I agree.
I have a Quick Answer for all of that, actually.Ah, so we’re both Protestants!
My issues with Catholicism are more about the authority of the Pope. I don’t believe he’s the legitimate leader of all Christianity, but only of his own faction. I do believe in the Eucharist and in the Real Presence, though my understanding of the Real Presence is more Lutheran, and I think it’s valid anywhere believers are gathered, not just where there’s a Catholic priest to officiate, because the priesthood of all believers suffices.
As a Fundamentalist would say, that is still adding something to the Bible that is not there. The Lutheran understanding of SS is closer to Prima Scriptura, thus non-Scriptural authority like the Lutheran confessions are also used. That’s why Fundamentalists like Luther but not Lutherans, because in their view you are still too Catholic with your so-called “traditions of men.”
And I consider myself the eggman and the walrus. Does that make me the eggman or the walrus?
In what way?
Hi Cat,
So then it is just a question of whose tradition is better. Not whether or not to have tradition, as every church does. That’s the point.
Not better. Which (not whose, as you and I share many of the same) Traditions rightly reflect scripture, the final norm. That’s the point.
So you’re really a Protestant too?
I mean…since we’re choosing to define our own particular term…you’re Protestatn!I’m pretty sure you are not the egg man. You didn’t say goo goo g’joob.
Rightly reflecting according to whose judgment?
So then there are objective characteristics for eggman-ship. I can’t just walk up to the grocer and say I am the eggman, give me all your eggs.
Hmm. Let’s search for a person who holds that a lay Christian can confect the sacrament of the eucharist. And sort him out properly.
So, you are saying that what happens here on earth affects the Church Triumphant too? If men of the CC, or Orthodox, or any other group improperly understand the teachings of Christ for a time, that doesn’t in any way mean that Christ didn’t keep His promise to His Church, unless one thinks His Church doesn’t include the Church Triumphant, and if you choose to include it, the Church Suffering.