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And new life as well. God created the earth to bring forth life, and it still does.
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The_Barbarian
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Wolseley, you would be a lot more effective if you tried to work a fact into your posts every now and then…
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The_Barbarian
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So far, a sufficiently complex nervous system has been an essential component.
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Wolseley
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Read the book.
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Wolseley
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(shrug) And you’d be a lot more personable if you tried to reign in some of your arrogance. Again, read the book.Wolseley, you would be a lot more effective if you tried to work a fact into your posts every now and then…
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That’s like saying a computer is an essential component of a computer program. The hardware is necessary for the software to manifest itself but it is not a component of it. A sufficiently complex electronic device is necessary to play a CD but that doesn’t make it part of the CD.
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It would appear that it is even more properly called the evolutionary synthesis.
Well if it was good enough for Gould what’s the problem? I really doubt that that the sensitivity to “Darwinism” stems from a passion for precision.
I do try to be accurate but obviously even quoting famous, main stream evolutionists doesn’t suffice. “The Darwinism accepted since the evolutionary synthesis is best simply called Darwinism” (Ernst Mayr)
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Thank you very, very much!Another good one is amazon.com/Forbidden-Archeology-Unabridged-Michael-Cremo/dp/0892132949/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203490820&sr=1-1, which examines the vast body of evidence against evolution that the Darwinists threw away because it contradicted their pet theory. (Convenient, that----if the evidence doesn’t line up with your idea, ignore it! Problem solved.) And nobody can accuse the authors of being Christian creationists, since they both happen to be Hindus.
I agree, but don’t expect to convince our resident evolutionists here. They have their minds made up, so they won’t listen to you anyway, no matter what you present to them.
My advice? Don’t argue with them. Matthew 15:14.
To you evolutionist, you need to look at yourselves. Look how much you defend a theory that scientist consider to be the principle explanation as to how the universe existed without God!
Evolution DENYS the existence of Original Sin, because if evolution were true, man would have to have been dying WELL before Original Sin came to be.
When Adam and Eve sinned, Satan entered the world, DEATH entered the world. Without death, there can be no evolution, it is the theory and the doctrine of death.
Excellent point, thank you for making it.
And to the person who posted about geology. There two types of geology in the the world today. Modern Geology, which says that evolution and billions of years formed the earth. And there is Deluge Geology, which says that the grand canyon, the mountains and many other parts of the world, both high and low were formed by the great flood. Never heard of the giant fossil graveyards? Where thousands of animals were washed into a single area?
Deluge Geology, which is AMAZINGLY logical, and reasonable, heavily damages Modern Geology and cripples, both MG and the theory of evolution.
What about the supposed evolution of sea plants, to land plants?
Birds with their thousands of interlocking hooks for their wings?
What about the “hopeful monster” theory?
These questions and many more should be considered. For they reveal the sinister qualities of the evolutionary theory that many are unaware of.
And as to the even the Pope believing in evolution, the Holy Father’s beliefs about science do not mean anything, he is infallible in matters relating to faith and morals, in things stated “Ex Cathedra” but his scientific knowledge is not something can be used as an argument.
In Holy Scripture, there is written, “By their fruits, you shall know them”. Wherever you see people arguing for evolution, you see arrogance, and false religion. You see people turning from God, and and worshiping science. Evolution is a deadly lie, that pulls man the to the status of an animal, and allows for so many evils, it is unimaginable.
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The Holy Father’s beliefs about science do not mean anything? As the head of the Catholic Church, they should mean a great deal. When Pope Benedict states, “We are not some casual, meaningless product of evolution.” He is precisely addressing those who are in the thrall of “new” knowledge and the worship of the mind of man. They claim not to see the negative social consequences in accepting a theory that rejects the dignity of man as being created by God.
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God bless,
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Very well. Then you don’t exist. You are simply a bag of chemicals. The electrical impulses you experience are generated by your sensory organs for interpretation by a biological device called a brain. You are a biological machine, nothing more.
Or, and here is truth, you were created by God.
God bless,
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Read what book?
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The Barbarian is not arrogant. Again, what book are you recommending that we read?
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Yes, I’m sorry, I did not intend for that statement to mean that his beliefs about science are meaningless. Rather, that his supporting evolution does not make it the more logical choice.
And the the posters above, look through the pages, two books were recommended, read them both.
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(1) Evolutionary biology is not incompatible with the doctrine of original sin. Many Catholic theologians have written on this topic, from John Haught to Archbishop Zycinski to Cardinal Schoenborn.
(2) “Deluge geology” is no more useful than are astrology, alchemy, and Galenic medicine. That’s why there are no working geologists today who practice deluge geology. Try to find one in any functioning geology department in any university apart from crackpot institutions like the Institute for Creation Research.
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Do you deny the reality of the Great Flood? Why wouldn’t most scientist deny Deluge Geology? Most of them are atheist, who’s “God” is science!!
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Or, the truth; we are animals who have been given an immortal soul by God, placing us a little lower than the angels.
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The_Barbarian
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No wonder you hate science. If I thought it was like that, I’d hate it too. You’ve been rather badly deluded by some very dishonest people. Evolutionary theory is not about any of that.
For a Christian, the “death” God spoke of was spiritual. God says that Adam will die the day he eats from the tree, and yet Adam lives on physically for many years after. You’ve been sold a second-rate religion in place of Catholicism.
In the middle of the rock of the Grand Canyon are entire forests and deserts, complete with animal and insect burrows that somehow had time to form spontaneously in the middle of the “flood sediments.” How gullible you are.
Would you like to see a transitional fossil of such a thing?
What if I told you that scales can be induced to form feathers by merely suppressing one gene? It’s true. You aren’t presenting arguments, you are just insisting that God is not good enough to do these things by natural processes.
You think that’s what biology is about? No wonder you’re confused.
Rather, they reveal the extent to which fundamentalist Protestants will go to erode the faith of Catholics.
All that it means is that evolution is consistent with Catholic faith. Which is the part of the Magisterium against which you are rebelling.
I hope you learn to accept that truth and faith are not incompatible.
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But more properly, the theory is called the modern synthesis.
Barbarian on the notion that scientists don’t like to be called “Darwinians”:
And Gould, for example, called himself a Darwinian
But more properly, the theory is called the modern synthesis.
No, it is so called, because it incorporates modern findings in genetics and other sciences.
Barbarian on the notion that scientists don’t like to be called “Darwinians”:
And Gould, for example, called himself a Darwinian
Just pointing out that you were wrong about that.
Probably because it doesn’t matter much to you. But to science, precision is important.
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No, it’s like saying that a computer is an essential component of an information-management system. It’s not the output, but you need the computer to get the output. Likewise, a human mind is only possible with a functioning human nervous system. It’s OK; God created our bodies, too. Denying this is simply surrendering to the gnostic notion of “body bad, spirit good.”
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