Is The Theory of Evolution mandatory for the modern worldview

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Again, whether one thinks any particular scientific fact is good or bad, it remains true.

And the truth counts. It should count for all of us. Arguing the social value of the truth is really beside the point.

It’s still the truth.

And a Christian should never be afraid of the truth.
 
The thinking is crystal clear. Morality is unnecessary in the evolution worldview. Individuality is a delusion. Your selfish genes only want you to reproduce. You are just an ambulatory carrier of genetic material; a bag of chemicals. Your genes programmed you. Such ideas are nihilism in a nutshell. There is no right or wrong since your genes are actually in control.
If you accepted evolutionary theory as it is, you would not have such ideas.

None of that is part of evolutionary theory.
 
Barbarian,

I am beginning to think you should have been a politician instead of a science expert, You have a way with words, double meanings, side stepping, etc and all those expert tricks. Either way its very untrustworthy.
Confusing isn’t it???🙂
 
Morality is unnecessary in the evolution worldview.
On the contrary a moral sense is both necessary and valuable.
Individuality is a delusion.
Huh? where did you get that from?
Your selfish genes only want you to reproduce. You are just an ambulatory carrier of genetic material; a bag of chemicals. Your genes programmed you. Such ideas are nihilism in a nutshell. There is no right or wrong since your genes are actually in control.
This is muddled. If you think that your genetic make-up has no influence on your behaviour, you are demonstrably deluded.

If you think that accepting the fact that your genetic make-up has an influence on your behaviour leads to the conclusion that there is no right or wrong, then you are committing a basic error in moral philosophy.

Alec
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When you show me a flow chart, or pert chart with all the dependencies, and a verifiable timeline for each step (mutation) of the process from simple life to complex life over 4.5 billion years, I’ll take a look at it.
Isn’t this pretty much like saying “when you show me a flow chart, or pert chart with all the dependencies, and a verifiable timeline for each step (ship across the channel) of the progress from a few raiders to the settlement of England by Anglo-Saxons, I’ll believe it.”

Isn’t it just a sort of intellectual immunization to prevent evidence from seeping in?
 
Barbarian,

I am beginning to think you should have been a politician instead of a science expert, You have a way with words, double meanings, side stepping, etc and all those expert tricks. Either way its very untrustworthy.
We are getting sooooo good and giving God several options, you’d think HE didn’t know what he was doing unless we can tell him what HE did and how HE did it.
I think you are missing the point Memaw. This is all speculation and curiosilty and you seem to think that those of us who take an interest in Science are refuting God. That isn’t so.😃
 
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The thinking is crystal clear. Morality is unnecessary in the evolution worldview. Individuality is a delusion. Your selfish genes only want you to reproduce. You are just an ambulatory carrier of genetic material; a bag of chemicals. Your genes programmed you. Such ideas are nihilism in a nutshell. There is no right or wrong since your genes are actually in control.

God bless,
Ed
That’s boogus bunkem Ed. You make it sound like we (men and women) are string puppets. Each person is unique and should be a compassionate and responsible citizen of planet Earth, caring for human/animal kind.

You make it all seem to me like a tooth implant. Ochee! When in reality it’s NOT.
For Christians, there is a foundational being, true man and true God, Jesus Christ. The living God.
I’m sure you’ve read or heard of “Peace on Earth, Goodwill toward Man”. Naturally that would mean every living man, woman, and child.🙂
 
Isn’t this pretty much like saying “when you show me a flow chart, or pert chart with all the dependencies, and a verifiable timeline for each step (ship across the channel) of the progress from a few raiders to the settlement of England by Anglo-Saxons, I’ll believe it.”

Isn’t it just a sort of intellectual immunization to prevent evidence from seeping in?
No. It’s called evidence.

Doesn’t it bother you that no one can seem to come up with it?
 
Neither sacred Scripture not universal ecclesiastical tradition tells us to believe it didn’t cover the whole earth. God said it did so guess who I believe. Would be kinda silly to take in a pair of every animal if there were plenty more out there to keep the animal population going.
And you know what? Learned “men” of the Church at one time believed the Sun rotated around the Earth. Do we still believe that?😉
 
And you know what? Learned “men” of the Church at one time believed the Sun rotated around the Earth. Do we still believe that?😉
Hey, that was because most of the scientists of the time (up to Copernicus) were telling them that the sun rotated around the earth. 🙂 Of course, many of the remaining scientists were busy doing alchemy so they didn’t care one way or the other.

🙂
 
Neither sacred Scripture not universal ecclesiastical tradition tells us to believe it didn’t cover the whole earth. God said it did so guess who I believe. Would be kinda silly to take in a pair of every animal if there were plenty more out there to keep the animal population going.
I’m not sure if you are a Catholic or not but if you are, you should spend more time studying into your Catholic faith than all that nonsense. The body goes where the soul goes and I suggest you get in closer touch with your Maker and Savior, and what HE teaches. Don’t you ever get tired of spreading lies about the Catholic Faith. Study into the TRUTH of its history and you will see that the Church is what gave dignity to women. As I said before, science has its place but when it thinks it knows more than God or can do without God, or go against God’s Natural law its way off track.
Yes, I will have to admit the Church paved the way for the dignity of women, BUT not equality.🙂
 
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That’s boogus bunkem Ed. You make it sound like we (men and women) are string puppets. Each person is unique and should be a compassionate and responsible citizen of planet Earth, caring for human/animal kind.

You make it all seem to me like a tooth implant. Ochee! When in reality it’s NOT.

I’m sure you’ve read or heard of “Peace on Earth, Goodwill toward Man”. Naturally that would mean every living man, woman, and child.🙂
There is no guidance in the world of genetics. Genes have been randomly mutated and naturally selected to perform a function. This function is all that matters, scientificaly speaking. Nothing else is important.

However, Jesus Christ, who is true God and true man, is the cornerstone. The Son of God. The way, the truth and the life. He wants to have a relationship with each one of us.

God bless,
Ed
 
The sun is approx. 93 Million miles from Earth. If the Earth was just 10 miles closer to the sun, we would burn up, life could NOT exist. and if we were just 10 miles farther away from the sun,we would freeze. NOW just WHO do you suppose put us and keeps us in the exact spot we need to sustain life here. 10 miles, out of 93 million, hardly seems significant.but it IS. Science, as smart as it is, has never proven that there is life of ANY kind on any other planet besides ours. WHY, tell me why, if you can. Since we seem to have an abundance of varities of life on Earth, why didn’t the same big bang have any effect any other planet. Are we that important to SOMEONE???
And just when and who figured out the distance, of the sun from Earth and what would happen to us if there was a ten mile difference in distance? Why do you accept that?:confused:
 
Barbarian on Ricmat’s demand to know every mutation from the first organism to humans:
Isn’t this pretty much like saying “when you show me a flow chart, or pert chart with all the dependencies, and a verifiable timeline for each step (ship across the channel) of the progress from a few raiders to the settlement of England by Anglo-Saxons, I’ll believe it.”

Isn’t it just a sort of intellectual immunization to prevent evidence from seeping in?
No. It’s called evidence.
No, it’s the assertion that because we can’t count the number of boats that carried the Anglo-Saxons to Britain, and we can’t count the number of people in each boat, we can’t accept that the Anglo-Saxons migrated to Britain.

And it is the opposite of evidence. It depends on what we don’t know, rather than the evidence we do know.
Doesn’t it bother you that no one can seem to come up with it?
The evidence, as the last two Popes have acknowledged, is both voluminous and growing.

We have, for example, the huge and growing number of transitional fossils that fill in the gaps between taxa. We have the sorting of fossils, showing that living things varied over time.

We have DNA itself, which shows the same phylogenies as obtained by other lines of evidence, including the first one, prepared by the creationist, Linnaeus.

We have directly-observed evolution, including speciation and evolution of irreducible complexity.

And we have all sorts of “errors” introns, damaged genes, and fusions that show common descent by natural means.

At some point, shouldn’t it be time to make peace with the facts? Nature is God’s tool in this world; why wouldn’t He use it?

Or must we assume that God miraculously moved the Anglo-Saxons to Britain, because we don’t know how many boats did it, and how many people were aboard?
 
The sun is approx. 93 Million miles from Earth. If the Earth was just 10 miles closer to the sun, we would burn up, life could NOT exist. and if we were just 10 miles farther away from the sun,we would freeze.
In fact, in the Northern Hemisphere, the Earth is slightly more than five million kilometers from the sun in summer, than it is in winter. Makes almost no difference at all (inverse square law, you know)
NOW just WHO do you suppose put us and keeps us in the exact spot we need to sustain life here.
Actually, it varies quite a bit. The eccentricity of the Earth in the past has varied from almost 0 to as much as 0.05.

At 0.05, it probably did have some small effects, but not much. Life is a lot more flexible than you might think.

God wanted a place for us, and this is it. But He seems to have prepared it entirely by natural means, within the laws He established for it.
 
Or must we assume that God miraculously moved the Anglo-Saxons to Britain, because we don’t know how many boats did it, and how many people were aboard?
So you seem to be claiming that evolution is a one step process…France (or Denmark) to Britain. I thought evolution was a science of gradualism.

If your claim were instead that the ancient Japanese migrated to Hawaii, by means of overland trek through China, Persia, Turkey, Greece, Italy France, England, Ireland, across North America, and then by boat to Hawaii…I would expect there to be evidence in all of these places. That’s not unreasonable.

And if the evidence somehow came up with “They did it over a period of 3 days in 3000BC”, then yes, I’d say that the timeline invalidates the theory.
 
Hey, that was because most of the scientists of the time (up to Copernicus) were telling them that the sun rotated around the earth.
Actually, Aristarchus of Samos was the first scientist to determine that the Earth went around the Sun. Remarkably like modern scientists, he took measurements and observed the motions, and from that evidence inferred the answer.

Later, Gordiano Bruno was burned alive, mostly for other things, but also for espousing geocentricity.
 
I would like you to show me where, on the forum, that I have tried to explain the flood scientifically!! That oughta keep you busy for awhile.
Memaw, I forgot to mention that a literal interpretation of the Noah’s Flood myth requires that you account for hundreds of thousands of pounds of extra prey animals for the carnivores, who could not be expected to fast like good Catholics for the duration of the flood! And you would have to add their manure to the disposal problem. These hundreds of extra zebras, gazelles, elands, giraffes, deer, buffalo, rabbits, etc. would have to be housed. Carnivores for which Noah would have had to provide individual diets include:

Felines: African lions, Indian tigers, Siberian tigers, cheetahs, leopards, panthers, jaguars
Canines: Gray Wolf, Red Wolf, Red Fox, coyote, jackals, etc.
Hyenas
Some mustelids, including ferrets
Beras: Grizzly, Black, Brown, Polar
Pinnipeds (seals, sea lions, walruses, etc.)
Carnivorous Marsupials, such as the Tasmanian Devil
Snakes: pythons, boa constrictors, rattlesnakes, cobras
Some lizards, such as the Gila Monster and all monitor lizards.
Crocodilians
Komodo dragon
Turtles
 
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