Is the U.S. Losing its Moral Authority on Human Rights?

[gilliam]

Ghosty,

I am trying to find this reported in a non-Arab or non-Communist newspaper and I can’t. If the international press was actually there, why didn’t they report it?

Maybe I missed something here. But it sure smells of rotten fish right now.

What I am left with is:

1. a Dr. who said he saw, or someone told him about hundreds of dead animals
2. a Dr. who said he knows that or can’t discount tachnical nuclear weapons were used in Fallujah (even though they would produce a huge amount of damage and leave tell tail signs, both of which are missing. they would also preclude our troops from entering the city)
3. napalm used, even though tactically it would be very imprudent to use this weapon in this enviornment
4. nerve gas used, even though it would preclude our troops from going in as they did without hazmat equipment on, which we know they were not wearing.

Sorry, nonsense is what this is: it does not make any sense except as propaganda. Should a news agency propagate propaganda? Well the Arab and communist press sure like that idea.

And al-Jazeera wonders why the Iraqis hate it.

 

[gnjsdad]

He is only an ‘official’ at the health ministry.

I stand corrected

And he said we used “mustard gas, nerve gas, and other burning chemicals”. Do you seriously believe we used these things in Fallujah?

I doubt that mustard gas or nerve gas was used. I still remember all the pre-war hysteria that was whipped up over Saddam having those weapons. I don’t think even the Bush Administration would sink to that level of hypocrisy by using them itself. But the “other burning chemicals” (read: napalm) I can well believe. The U.S. military has a long history with the jellied gasoline. Just ask the Japanese.

And if we did, that the main stream press didn’t report it???

Nobody in the press was allowed near the theatre during the razing of Fallujah, so of course it wouldn’t get reported. It’s a different era from Vietnam. The press willingly goes along with military censorship nowadays.

This is rubbish and you know it.

It may or may not be ‘rubbish’. I don’t know, and you don’t know.

 

[gilliam]

gnjsdad:

Nobody in the press was allowed near the theatre during the razing of Fallujah, so of course it wouldn’t get reported. It’s a different era from Vietnam. The press willingly goes along with military censorship nowadays.
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There were inbeds all over the place, including with the enemy, and including the foreign press.

Remember the scandal with the marine who shot the wonded terrorist?

 

[gnjsdad]

gilliam:

Also this Sunni orderly (or whatever he is) claims we used napalm in Fallujah.

Sunni orderly??? He’s identified as a doctor in the story. But this is very interesting, and revealing, given that we’re talking about soemone working in the new, democratic, ‘liberated’ Iraq. I presume the man in question occupies his position by virtue of the Iraqi governing authority. Is it indicated somewhere that he’s some kind of Baathist holdover? Or maybe an Islamist terrorist type? Or are all Arabs just sneaky little terrorists-in-waiting? Your use of this derogatory description just because he’s reporting news you don’t want to hear really shows your bias.

If we did huge, distinctive plumes of smoke would have been seen for miles.

How do you know they weren’t?

CNN would have caught them in their cameras.

What if the CNN cameras weren’t allowed in there?

Also the smell of napalm is very distinctive, and the world press knows what it smells like. They would have reported it.

See above.

 

[gnjsdad]

Not sure why one would want to use napalm in a city though, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, tactically. You could easily cause a firestorm. Which, obviously, didn’t happen in Fallujah. Somewhere, someone, has to bring common sense into this.

Maybe to put a real hurt on the civilian population? In WWII, the US dumped napalm on hundreds of Japanese cities, so it’s a tactic that’s been used before.

We don’t really know yet what exactly happened in Fallujah. The military is not talking, and nobody in the US media is asking, but if we used napalm, it would not surprise me.

 

[jlw]

gnjsdad, you are why democrats lose elections.

 

[gnjsdad]

gilliam:

Never know… a lot of experienced people were in the city when we got there (the smart ones seemed to have gotten out when the getting was good). They could have had some stuff laying around and played with it. Or kids did. Happens all the time in war.

I think this one takes the cake. Maybe one of Saddam’s WMD was left lying around there and was inadvertently set off? Maybe you can provide the link where the Bush Administration announced the discovery of the missing WMD in Fallujah. I seem to have missed that headline.

 

[cestusdei]

So the Arabs and the Frogs are accusing us? Boy we had better pay attention. Check out this site for what Muslims say when we are not listening:

www.memri.org

 

[gilliam]

gnjsdad:

I think this one takes the cake. Maybe one of Saddam’s WMD was left lying around there and was inadvertently set off? .

It’s happened before, BAGHDAD, Iraq — A roadside bomb containing sarin nerve agent recently exploded near a U.S. military convoy, the U.S. military said Monday.
…

 

[gnjsdad]

gilliam:

There were inbeds all over the place, including with the enemy, and including the foreign press.

Remember the scandal with the marine who shot the wonded terrorist?

Goes to my point. A news organization that wants to keep it’s imbeds will go along with military censorship. It a precondition to getting an imbed.

 

[cestusdei]

Yeah right. The US media slavishly obeys the military and the government. That would be a first.

Ah but the Muslim press has made lying an art form. Just read the link I gave. The Syrian press just today was talking about a new book that shows how Jews drink the blood of Arab children. Wow, let’s just believe them! Don’t be a fool. They have no free press, objectivity, or grasp of reality. Some of them still think 911 was a CIA plot. And they certainly don’t mind it when Islamic terrorists torture and kill women and children. Guess we have to count on western media to get that story huh?

 

[gilliam]

gnjsdad:

Goes to my point. A news organization that wants to keep it’s imbeds will go along with military censorship. It a precondition to getting an imbed.

You mean they won’t say anything when their imbeds come back glowing in the dark? Gee, not even at Davos? Boy, you learn something every day!

 

[Ghosty]

I am trying to find this reported in a non-Arab or non-Communist newspaper and I can’t. If the international press was actually there, why didn’t they report it?

Now that is interesting. I don’t have a membership at any online news services, so my resources are limited. Keep me posted if you hear anything, even if it’s just the crickets chirping.