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Sister_Amy
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Muslims believe that each and every person is going to be held accountable for his own life–for his belief, and for his actions.
Is the use of the cross in this Islamic advertisement offensive to you?
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century153
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What about his in-action? I believe we are on the same track here as well - but I understand you are saying that a person can actually do something to make up for his sin…is that correct? In our bible, in the book of Isaiah, is is written (Isaiah 64:6)
6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
This is the reason we are in need of a savior, an atonement. If Muslims do not believe in atonement sacrifice,why then have I heard on a certain Eid (I believe El Adha) they slay a lamb? I believe this goes back to the time when Abrahim was to sacrifice his son (Muslims claim it was Ishmael but Christians believe it was Isaac – thats another discussion) but the Lord God Jehovah Jireh provided the ram for the sacrifice. This was a foreshadowing of our Lord God Who provided the Ultimate Sacrifice, His only Son, Jesus Christ Who gave His life for us – He is the Lord God our Righteousness – Jehovah Tsidkenu.
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No, one cannot “make-up” for sin, but God can forgive sin, if we earnestly repent. If not, why repent?What about his in-action? I believe we are on the same track here as well - but I understand you are saying that a person can actually do something to make up for his sin…is that correct? In our bible, in the book of Isaiah, is is written (Isaiah 64:6)
6But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
This is the reason we are in need of a savior, an atonement. If Muslims do not believe in atonement sacrifice,why then have I heard on a certain Eid (I believe El Adha) they slay a lamb? I believe this goes back to the time when Abrahim was to sacrifice his son (Muslims claim it was Ishmael but Christians believe it was Isaac – thats another discussion) but the Lord God Jehovah Jireh provided the ram for the sacrifice. This was a foreshadowing of our Lord God Who provided the Ultimate Sacrifice, His only Son, Jesus Christ Who gave His life for us – He is the Lord God our Righteousness – Jehovah Tsidkenu.
About “sacrifice,” do you believe Abraham was commanded to sacrifice his son as a means of atonement?
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Bluegoat
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I’m not sure that Jews would connect atonement and ritual sacrifice.
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century153
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How fascinating.
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magic_stick
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This is a really interesting thread! I have to mark this so I can read the whole thing when I have time.
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jesuspsr
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Hello all, and happy hollidays.
No not at all, does it bother me.
No not at all, does it bother me.
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Todd520
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I think your Chrisianity as middle ground has a wide distributionIt’s why I love the book of James.
A perception that I have about Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is the following:
That Judaism focuses on “works” and not faith,
That Christianity actually focuses on “faith,” but less on works
And that Islam is a middle path between the two, with equal emphasis on both.
I’m part of a “Faith Club” with members from different faiths, and someone proposed the question to members what was the most essential part of their religion, the non-negotiable parts, what couldn’t be done without. And the Jewish members indicated it was the rituals and practices–obeying the Commandments. And the Christian members indicated it was faith and God’s grace, since we can’t “earn” God’s favor.
What do you think of that? There is a Catholic member in the group, but I’m not sure if she was there that day (I wasn’t, either.)
- Evangelicals seem to espouse only faith (when they mean only faith will save)
- Catholics and LDS clearly believe we must obey Christs commandments
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I think you are reading too much into it.
The cross immediately identifies the topic as christian and thus will visually grab the attention of people with an interest in the subject. It’s good marketing for their talk/
Don’t over-read the desert backdrop. The picture could also work for planting a new church in the desolate south west.
I think you expect the talk to be unfairly biased against Christianity and this impacts the rest of your perceptions. (I also expect it to be biased)
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JHow
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Looking at the advertisement in its thumbnail form (where I can see mostly a silhouette, not details) and reading the "Who was Jesus …Man Messenger God? tagline, I would have expected the talk to be from a Christian perspective. When I clicked on the ad and brought it up to full size I can now see that it is sponsored by an Islamic society - which changes my expectations about the talk. I am not offended, but I do think, as a piece of advertising, it is a little misleading. It might be more accurate to call it “Islamic Perspectives on Jesus” - since I think this is what the talk will actually contain. It does seem to me a little like it is trading on the “Christian brand” to catch the reader’s attention. Looking at the ad close up, as others have noted, it looks like the actual picture is of a grave site. The cross doesn’t look very high off the ground at all. It is perched on mound of sand, not a hilltop. Thinking about it, I might conclude that the picture was likely selected from stock photos (cheap) and probably selected so as to avoid any strong connection with Christianity (for example, a photo of a cross on a steeple or a crucifix).
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