Is the war in Iraq an unjust war?

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Ender said:
I would not claim that it **is **true but I do accept that it **might **be true. As significantly, (not including Turkey) I think that the freedom enjoyed by Iraqis is greater than that of any other (Muslim) country in the Middle East and that has to be very attractive to a lot of people. With this single exception, Middle Eastern countries are a collection of monarchies, theocracies, and thugocracies. I think bin Laden’s ideology is less attractive now that Iraq has shown the possibility of a freer alternative. It may be a sick, spindly plant now, but it’s still alive and if it survives it may weaken some of the noxious weeds growing nearby.

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Very well stated, Ender!
 
Can we all just agree to disagree? Noone will convince me that this is not an unjust war. Yet I am not going to waste my time trying to convert the other side either.
 
goofyjim said:
Can we all just agree to disagree? Noone will convince me that this is not an unjust war. Yet I am not going to waste my time trying to convert the other side either.
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Maybe you’re right, Jim, but don’t call it a waste of time; a little seed of doubt can lead to someone changing their mind. If you firmly believe the war in Iraq is unjust, stand your ground. God bless, have a wonderful Easter!
 
RWMorris said:
Maybe you’re right, Jim, but don’t call it a waste of time; a little seed of doubt can lead to someone changing their mind. If you firmly believe the war in Iraq is unjust, stand your ground. God bless, have a wonderful Easter!
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I agree. Those who have a strong view against the Iraq war have had some influence on me. I have softened on my acceptance of the original decision to go into Iraq. I’m still not completely against that decision, but I do understand their arguments.

Similarly, I know of other posters who are still against the war, but they have softened their views on withdrawal, realizing that it may not be the best to withdraw the troops too soon.

Bottomline, these dialogues are very useful…as long as we can all try not to lose our cool… :o
 
Yes I think we all hope the troops will be home soon. Things are going better over there now. Its better to put energy into praying for Iraq and that we get the job done than fighting amongst ourselves and voting for pro-choicers who would withdraw in a cowardly way.
 
stringbeanduck said:
Yes I think we all hope the troops will be home soon. Things are going better over there now. Its better to put energy into praying for Iraq and that we get the job done than fighting amongst ourselves and voting for pro-choicers who would withdraw in a cowardly way.
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I don;t think that it would be cowardly to withdraw troops from a country where the USA had no right to invade in the first place. There is terrorism here in the USA and the government is either unwilling or powerless to do anything to stop it, For example, in our area, just last week, a lady was shot and killed by five bullets in her own home. According to the news reports, three Latino males were seen running from her house right after the shooting. A few weeks back, a boy was shot to death in his school. Why not have China and Russia invade the USA in order to bring a little peace to the USA and to prevent this type of terrorism being suffered by innocent American civilians in their own country?
 
rlg94086 said:
I agree. Those who have a strong view against the Iraq war have had some influence on me. I have softened on my acceptance of the original decision to go into Iraq. I’m still not completely against that decision, but I do understand their arguments.

Similarly, I know of other posters who are still against the war, but they have softened their views on withdrawal, realizing that it may not be the best to withdraw the troops too soon.

Bottomline, these dialogues are very useful…as long as we can all try not to lose our cool… :o
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I started this thread with the hopes that there would be more talk about the many lives that the topple of Sadaam has changed/saved. It is such a political affiliation issue that those that are anti war do not look at the good. Sadaam was directly responsible for killing over 900,000 people. Many in the USA look at what it has cost the US, but as Catholics we have to take a look at how it has helped change the way of life for Christians in Iraq as well as how many lives it may have saved.
 
dmelosi said:
I started this thread with the hopes that there would be more talk about the many lives that the topple of Sadaam has changed/saved. It is such a political affiliation issue that those that are anti war do not look at the good. Sadaam was directly responsible for killing over 900,000 people. Many in the USA look at what it has cost the US, but as Catholics we have to take a look at how it has helped change the way of life for Christians in Iraq as well as how many lives it may have saved.
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Christians in Iraq are much worse off now, then before the war.
 
bobzills said:
Wrong answer according to the Catholic bishop John Botean, and many other Catholics.
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The question was : Is the Iraq war an unjust war?

It was not: Are there people who believe the Iraq war was unjust.

At least we have gotten beyond the false claim that the Church declared the war unjust.

I am not even sure it is correct to call are involvement in Iraq a “war” anymore.
 
Ender said:
I would not claim that it **is **true but I do accept that it **might **be true. As significantly, (not including Turkey) I think that the freedom enjoyed by Iraqis is greater than that of any other (Muslim) country in the Middle East and that has to be very attractive to a lot of people. With this single exception, Middle Eastern countries are a collection of monarchies, theocracies, and thugocracies. I think bin Laden’s ideology is less attractive now that Iraq has shown the possibility of a freer alternative. It may be a sick, spindly plant now, but it’s still alive and if it survives it may weaken some of the noxious weeds growing nearby.

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Do you then feel the ideology of bin Laden is not founded in Islam or that his is a perversion of that ideology?

I spoke with my non-Catholic friend and neighbor last night and he echoed to some degree your position and compared the RCC’s influence on the political and social spheres during the middle ages to that of Islams in Moslem lands today, and how the Reformation benefited societies that resulted in the government and Constitution we are both claiming to uphold. He thought a similiar reformation was long overdue in Islam and our actions were planting such seeds, spindly as they are, was the justification for the war.

I see major differences between the Doctrine and Dogma of the Catholic Church and Islam and I do not want to steer this thread too far afield to discuss the Protestant Reformation and how the Church feels about that though the topic is worthwhile and maybe relevant, but in consideration of that I would like to understand your understanding of the following:

1.) Do you think the Catholic Church has similar Doctrine to Islam with respect to the social and political controls?
2.) Is the Iraq war Just to cause Islams reformation- is that ‘your’ goal?
3.) Is the ideology President Bush is talking about unrelated to Islam or are they inseperable?
 
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