Is the world more advanced and cohesive as a result of the wars fought over the years?

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Just look at the rapid changes in the world as a whole.I see the world as rapidly changing and becoming a worldwide government. Maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually.
 
I have a hard time believing all that one world government poop… Yes I said poop…
 
Robert_Sock said:
Just look at the rapid changes in the world as a whole.I see the world as rapidly changing and becoming a worldwide government. Maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually.
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Perhaps… under the Anti - Christ… :cool:
 
The world has to end someday. I’m not concerned.

The great adventure of our life ends sadly in any case.
 
Not at all.

But the seeds of freedom have been (name removed by moderator)lanted in the mid east.

Worldwide Government? You are lost and that can be a catastrophic with no turning back.

Geez Hitler was seeking worldwide goverment too.

How about freedom for all.
 
War certainly advances technology, which is sometimes nice.

Not sure about more cohesive. Sometimes yes, but sometimes not so much - occasionally empires just fragment as a result of war(s).

I don’t see any particular reason to say that the national changes brought by war tend to constitute advancement in general or even on average though. The formation of U.S. from the revolutionary war, and the solidification of it after the civil war (and the painful post civil war reconstruction) I think were good steps, but I’m not sure I’d call, say, the old Soviet expansion advancement. Granted, that fell to a certain extent, but I think it’s fair to say the good ol’ U.S. probably won’t be around forever either.

So kind of. Our attempts to find efficient ways of killing each other do tend lead to better science and technology anyway, which can be and generally is then used for legitimate advancement anyway.
 
I don’t know that we’d have One World government with or without all these wars we’ve had, but it may well be that we’re SOMEWHAT better off as a result of SOME of them, at least.

Just to take one arbitrary point of departure: without the Punic Wars between Rome and Carthage, the Phoenician-descended civilization of Carthage, with its seapower and the unequaled sharpness of its merchants and traders, might well have dominated the Mediterranean world and strangled the nascent civilization of the west in its crib.

The Carthaginians’ leadership was far more entrenched than Rome’s, and based its status mostly on wealth. Rome’s leadership (at that time) based its social esteem far more on its service to the polity, primarily in wartime but also in more humdrum ways. It was a case of entrenched avaricious leaders vs semi-democratically elected public servants.

But the real differences lay in the area of religion. The Roman religion, while pagan, revolved around the gods and goddesses of hearth and home and plow at that time. It valued family and created a relatively stable society based on that unit. It was at least a very human faith, as G.K. Chesterton has pointed out.

The religion of Carthage, by contrast, was cold and cruel, demanding the burning of babies. Its outlook was ultimately hopeless and nihilistic, with man being nothing more than the plaything of fickle, amoral gods.

The triumph of Rome created a world that was far-better disposed to receive Christ when He came down from Heaven, than a world dominated by Carthage would have been.

So, the three wars Rome and Carthage fought and Rome’s victory probably DID make the world a more cohesive place, inasmuch as a Carthaginian victory would probably have led to a spiritually sterile world, one that would probably have erupted into far worse bloodshed that might have ended all civilization, and been FAR more unreceptive to Christ.
 
The tension on the vendetta spring needs to release before that will happen. The long line of countries who had to submit to the muscle flexing,sand kicking US will need to vent their loss of face. Payback for congress submitting to pentagon’s “live” weapons trials through incursions must come to pass first.

In numbers I would say 3 generations of 9/11’s, cesium 137 contaminations and, oh boy what a world will our little tikes of today experience. The sad part is they won’t even know why.
 
There is an undercurrent of hate. The tension I feel is thick. Countries are circling the big guy slowly looking for a weak spot. It is maybe a restless apprehension. They all fall, look at history.

The tension on the vendetta spring needs to release before peace will happen. The long line of countries who had to submit to the muscle flexing,sand kicking US will need to vent their loss of face. Payback for congress submitting to pentagon’s “live” weapons trials through incursions must come to pass first.

In numbers I would say 3 generations of 9/11’s, cesium 137 permanent contamination and, oh boy, what a world will our little tikes of today experience. The sad part is they won’t even know why. They will eventually despise their ancestry.
 
There will never be a one world government as long as God has anything to say. Remember the whole Tower of Babel?

Throughout history the world has come close but fallen short of a World Government. The British, Roman, Hellenic, Spanish and Mongolian empires never stood long enough nor took over the world.

Right now I think we are witnessing an implosion of the global model as Europe collapses and China begins it’s internal catastrophe…we will see far less of the UN because even now it is increasingly becoming more and more irrelevant.
 
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Just look at the rapid changes in the world as a whole.I see the world as rapidly changing and becoming a worldwide government. Maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually.
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The World Adanced and Cohesive in what? Science and Technology? Maybe and primarily eclusive to First World Nations while the Third World poor nations have very little interest to First World unless there’s reason to exploit something valuable in Third World nations that becomes surprisingly discovered.

Where First World Nations gloat in unending pride over their accompliments and advancements in cohesive productivity in science and technology as if it were a religion onto itself, it fails miserably in Morality.

Its often said History Repeats Itself. Given all the Great historic Wars in the World since the Great Flood maybe humanity has advanced towards Peace in the length of a grain of rice.🤷
 
I wouldn’t count the Masons out. Or the IMF. Or the advanced globalization (In the wrong direction) just yet. The One World Government, unfortunatley, may be closer than we think…
 
I think we are headed toward a world govt. It is inevitable with the advances in technology. With mass communication and mass transport the world shrunk in size. The world wars motivated it as well. No one wants a wwIII so a world govt sounds good.
 
jimmy said:
I think we are headed toward a world govt. It is inevitable with the advances in technology. With mass communication and mass transport the world shrunk in size. The world wars motivated it as well. No one wants a wwIII so a world govt sounds good.
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Agreed. The surveillance isn’t some silly conspiracy, its happening. Mass survelliance. Military techonology so advanced I get shivers just imagining what they could possibly have, the middle east in escalating violence, America is restless as She will need to get rid of this dictator stand in joke called obama…
 
colmywaykurtz said:
I don’t know that we’d have One World government with or without all these wars we’ve had, but it may well be that we’re SOMEWHAT better off as a result of SOME of them, at least.

Just to take one arbitrary point of departure: without the Punic Wars between Rome and Carthage, the Phoenician-descended civilization of Carthage, with its seapower and the unequaled sharpness of its merchants and traders, might well have dominated the Mediterranean world and strangled the nascent civilization of the west in its crib.

The Carthaginians’ leadership was far more entrenched than Rome’s, and based its status mostly on wealth. Rome’s leadership (at that time) based its social esteem far more on its service to the polity, primarily in wartime but also in more humdrum ways. It was a case of entrenched avaricious leaders vs semi-democratically elected public servants.

But the real differences lay in the area of religion. The Roman religion, while pagan, revolved around the gods and goddesses of hearth and home and plow at that time. It valued family and created a relatively stable society based on that unit. It was at least a very human faith, as G.K. Chesterton has pointed out.

The religion of Carthage, by contrast, was cold and cruel, demanding the burning of babies. Its outlook was ultimately hopeless and nihilistic, with man being nothing more than the plaything of fickle, amoral gods.

The triumph of Rome created a world that was far-better disposed to receive Christ when He came down from Heaven, than a world dominated by Carthage would have been.

So, the three wars Rome and Carthage fought and Rome’s victory probably DID make the world a more cohesive place, inasmuch as a Carthaginian victory would probably have led to a spiritually sterile world, one that would probably have erupted into far worse bloodshed that might have ended all civilization, and been FAR more unreceptive to Christ.
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The Roman Revolution during the first century BC, shook the foundations of Roman society. Augustus tried to restore the old forms, but the actions of his family showed how corrupt it had become. Caligula brought matter to a head. Like Antony he wanted to move the capitol to Alexandria and in effect restore the empire of Alexander. That required the defeat of the Parthians and the annexation
of Mesopotamia and points east. That was the objective of Trajan.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Just look at the rapid changes in the world as a whole.I see the world as rapidly changing and becoming a worldwide government. Maybe not in our lifetime, but eventually.
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Only in Alex Jones’s give-me-your-money dreams.:p:D
 
“…If a time arrives in which war is made impossible, this will be a time in which anarchy between nations has been suppressed, in other words, a time in which World Government has been established…Morever the supporters of World Government perfectly know that this concept can be brought into being only after many years of struggle and effort…It is through the free suffrage of men and women that the World State is to be founded and maintained… [By this I speak of the] passage from the tribe to the village, from the village to the city, from the city to the kingdom or to the modern political society, and the passage from our present political society to a world political society…Men want to live together and form a political society for a given task to be undertaken in common. When men will have a will to live together in a world-wide society, it will be because they will have a will to achieve a world-wide common task. What task indeed? The conquest of freedom…”
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- Jacques Maritain, Man and the State, 1951
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