Is There a Gay Teen Suicide Epidemic?

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If you will take the time to read the article I linked in the OP, you’ll see that the “four times more likely” is actually a bogus statistic, really meaningless actually.
Sorry, but I don’t believe that… I also don’t buy the “1-3% of the population is gay” idea. I think most studies are biased, and authors present the information that backs up their personal opinions. So we have to take everything with a grain of salt, and ultimately that means believing the argument you find most convincing. You’re convinced by one statistic, and I’m convinced by another… Both of which could be totally wrong, haha!
My intention in posting this was to bring to light the subtle twisting of our emotions in an attempt to silence the opposition to SSM.
No one’s trying to silence you’re opposition to SSM… Honestly, the issue of suicide has nothing to do with marriage. We need to have compassion when it comes to suicide though, and no matter what a study tries to prove, the fact is that one needs to exercise caution when expressing one’s opposition to homosexuality. It’s alright to have an opinion, but it’s important to keep in mind that the way you word that opinion could hurt someone you love – maybe even leading to their suicide.

To me, life is more important than free speech. If I had to choose between allowing someone to express their hurtful opinion or forcing them to shut up in order to keep someone alive, it would be no contest. But that’s just me!
 
Sorry, but I don’t believe that… I also don’t buy the “1-3% of the population is gay” idea. I think most studies are biased, and authors present the information that backs up their personal opinions. So we have to take everything with a grain of salt, and ultimately that means believing the argument you find most convincing. You’re convinced by one statistic, and I’m convinced by another… Both of which could be totally wrong, haha!
If you’ll go check out the pro-gay Amicus briefs filed in the US Supreme Court case of Lawrence v. Texas, you’ll find that groups such as National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Human Rights Campaign, and GLAAD, along with others, cited cited in their legal brief, from a study that was published in 1994, the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The results of this study are in a book by Laumann, et al., The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States. This study reported that “2.8 percent of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual.” (from banap.net/spip.php?article79).

your personal belief about rates, stats, or cause and effect isn’t compelling.
No one’s trying to silence you’re opposition to SSM…
of course they are, it’s either silly, dishonest or naive to claim otherwise.
 
Sorry, but I don’t believe that… I also don’t buy the “1-3% of the population is gay” idea. I think most studies are biased, and authors present the information that backs up their personal opinions. So we have to take everything with a grain of salt, and ultimately that means believing the argument you find most convincing. You’re convinced by one statistic, and I’m convinced by another… Both of which could be totally wrong, haha!

No one’s trying to silence you’re opposition to SSM… Honestly, the issue of suicide has nothing to do with marriage. We need to have compassion when it comes to suicide though, and no matter what a study tries to prove, the fact is that one needs to exercise caution when expressing one’s opposition to homosexuality. It’s alright to have an opinion, but it’s important to keep in mind that the way you word that opinion could hurt someone you love – maybe even leading to their suicide.

To me, life is more important than free speech. If I had to choose between allowing someone to express their hurtful opinion or forcing them to shut up in order to keep someone alive, it would be no contest. But that’s just me!
I don’t even think that statistics are relevant to the case against SSM. Whether 1-3%, 10%, heck, 33.333% of the population is gay doesn’t really matter. Marriage is marriage. What that had to do with the OP’s OP, I can’t really see at all.

I also don’t think free speech is a threat to the security of gay individuals. People say a whole lot of things, even well-meaning people, but I don’t let it bother me (especially to the point of me wanting to knock myself off). Sure, I get annoyed at things people say. I even get annoyed at comments made by lay Catholics in forums like this one on the matter. Most of the time, they don’t have any close friends or family who deal with homosexuality in a real way, and to them it’s just a concept to throw around. It’s never a reality. They don’t have to see someone everyday who’s struggling with their sexuality. When it’s not there in front of you, you can think, postulate, presume whatever you want with no consequence to anyone, especially anyone you care about. That’s why when they approach gay people, faithfully Catholic or not, they always do so with some preconceived notion that’s always somehow off-color. It almost feels like they care more about the idea than they do about the person. It’s sickening. I don’t think that them shutting up about their perception of the nature of homosexuality solves anything, though. That’s why we have internet fora, like this one: to discuss.
 
of course they are, it’s either silly, dishonest or naive to claim otherwise.
Seriously, what does SSM have to do with any of this?? Or did you mean SSA (a term I refuse to use, but see others use it here) in general? No one is trying to silence your opinion on gay marriage… What they are trying to silence is comments like “homosexuality is disgusting, perverted, evil,” “you’re going to burn in hell,” “you should just kill yourself, f*ggot, and make everyone a lot happier!” I’m not suggesting you’ve said that, by the way… I’m just giving example of the things many straight people say to gay people.

See, it’s not so much the opinion that matters (no matter how much it irritates), it’s how it’s expressed. Everyone has the right to an opinion; they don’t have a right to make someone feel like less of a human being (and still have the nerve to call themselves Christian!) to the point that it drives them to suicide.
 
I don’t even think that statistics are relevant to the case against SSM. Whether 1-3%, 10%, heck, 33.333% of the population is gay doesn’t really matter. Marriage is marriage. What that had to do with the OP’s OP, I can’t really see at all.

I also don’t think free speech is a threat to the security of gay individuals. People say a whole lot of things, even well-meaning people, but I don’t let it bother me (especially to the point of me wanting to knock myself off). Sure, I get annoyed at things people say. I even get annoyed at comments made by lay Catholics in forums like this one on the matter. Most of the time, they don’t have any close friends or family who deal with homosexuality in a real way, and to them it’s just a concept to throw around. It’s never a reality. They don’t have to see someone everyday who’s struggling with their sexuality. When it’s not there in front of you, you can think, postulate, presume whatever you want with no consequence to anyone, especially anyone you care about. That’s why when they approach gay people, faithfully Catholic or not, they always do so with some preconceived notion that’s always somehow off-color. It almost feels like they care more about the idea than they do about the person. It’s sickening. I don’t think that them shutting up about their perception of the nature of homosexuality solves anything, though. That’s why we have internet fora, like this one: to discuss.
I don’t really think free speech is the threat either, that was just in response to the suggestion that all these news reports are a way to silence people about gay marriage (which was totally not relevant anyway, haha). I don’t honestly think people should shut up, even if I really wish they would. 😉 The issue is expressing your opinion with love, as a Christian should – it just often doesn’t come across that way.

You definitely have a point… It’s easy to make assumptions when you don’t have anyone to connect it to. My parents were the exact same way, until I came out as a teenager, and suddenly it became more personal. It also made them think about all the remarks they’d made in the past, and how hurtful they were.
 
The issue is that while the media wants to hog-tie teen suicide and teen bullying together, there is no quantitative support for such a position. I believe it goes without saying that bullying is bad and even one suicide, of any age, is bad. That’s not the point. The point is how our emotions are being twisted by the media spin.

NIMH is very clear about the risk factors of suicide and bullying/harassment etc is not on the list.

The issue is the spin.
Michelle, I came across this YouthFACTS.org piece. The writer points to selective compassion by politicians and media as being tied to the sensationalizing of gay teen suicides allegedly after bullying. He refers to a CDC report that is consistent with what you are saying as to risk factors at play when teens end their life.

Interestingly, the writer stated that he is in favor of gay marriage. Regardless, the spin is hard to miss and its use to weaken opposition to SSM is not far fetched in my view. I have another link which I will post separately that is along the lines of your OP.

October 31, 2011
REACTION TO GAY TEEN SUICIDES SHOWS LIMITED AMERICAN COMPASSION TOWARD YOUTH

UPDATED 22 OCT. 2010

The widespread outrage and sadness, now extending to President Obama, over the suicides of four gay teenagers, allegedly after bullying for being gay, in the last month shows once again that only certain types of tragedies involving young people seem to stir politician and media compassion. Worse, the selective compassion seems tied to sensationalizing a youth tragedy to pursue larger political agendas.

That suicide is indeed terrible, and gay rights in the military and across society are very worthwhile agendas, does not obscure the suspicion that these particular teen suicides received publicity because they were useful to various interests. After all, in an average month, 140 teens and 2,750 adults commit suicide in the United States, all without any public grieving.

What made these four suicides different? First, they can be blamed–superficially, since media and commentator analysis of exactly what caused these suicides has been severely lacking–on other teenagers, a powerless group safe for adults to condemn. Commentators can pretend that bullying is simply something teenagers do and we responsible adults don’t (a “rite of passage,” as the president put it), allowing easy moralizing. Interest groups and the news media (which function as one entity) can aggrandize their pitches and stories by inventing the notion that bullying and youth suicide represent some vast new “epidemic” that never occurred in our halcyon days of the past.

That these insinuations are clearly false does not seem to matter. The latest Centers for Disease Control figures show suicide by teenagers, along with various types of self-destructive deaths such as self-inflicted firearms injuries or drug overdoses, are at their lowest levels ever reliably recorded, less than half the rates of 40 years ago. They also show teenagers are far less likely to kill themselves than adults are. A 16 year-old is nearly three times more likely to have a parent commit suicide than the other way around, yet we are curiously unable to show compassion for teens who lose a parent. Finally, teen suicide is extremely rare–only 1 in 2,500 teens will take their own lives during the seven-year age 13-19 period (compared to 1 in 900 adults of age to be their parents during the same period), which means that suicidal youth strongly differ from their peers. Consistent research has found teen suicide strongly connected to family abuses–that is, bullying by adults–as well as suicide by parents.

But citing these counterpoints interferes with the needs of politicians, interests, and media reporters to sensationalize, and so the opposite pretense is indulged: that teens, particularly today, are being driven to suicide en masse by bullying peers. It’s a good thing that teenagers don’t seem to pay much attention to adults’ efforts to misrepresent adolescence as a life stage in which suicide is practically normative, or we’d probably see more teen suicides.

Second, the sudden (and certain to be fleeting) concern over teen suicide coincides with vehement political controversies over repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” military policies imposed on homosexual enlistees, as well as gay marriage and other rights. I’m strongly in favor of repealing DADT, legalizing gay marriage, and gay rights in general. But there is something disturbing about advocates stating, in effect: “support our political goals or gay teens will kill themselves.” That polls and surveys consistently show young people are far less homophobic than adults, and “bullying” occurs among all age groups and is hardly unique to the present, adds yet more unwanted perspective to what is a very selective adult concern for young people.

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Here is that other link and content.

Brie Hoffman: Gay Teen Suicide

Recently we’ve been hearing about the suicides of several “gay” teens and I don’t know about you but I am starting to feel very uncomfortable with the daily accounting of all the gay teens that have been bullied or are being bullied. This is not to say that I or my Christian friends think that anyone should be bullied at all. However, I am sensing that the liberal left wing is using it’s journalistic power for a much more nefarious purpose. Which is, to be frank, to shut the mouths of anyone who would dare say that homosexuality is wrong, a sin, or a chosen lifestyle. It is not much of a leap from “how awful that these gay teens are committing suicide” to YOU are responsible for the deaths of gay teens because of your beliefs. We are walking a very thin line.

First of all, let’s get the facts straight, approximately ¼ of a million teens attempt suicide every year, out of that quarter million, approximately 5,000 succeed. Just this morning the news reported that 2 gay teens killed themselves last month, well do the math…that means that approximately 398 non-gay teens also killed themselves. Who cares about them? Why are the majority of other teens who are harassed, bullied and suffering ignored as inconsequential? Furthermore, suicide is the third cause of death for teens, accidents are the first and homicide second.

While I am appalled at the numbers of teens who kill themselves I cannot help but think that this tragedy is being exploited by those who would foist the gay agenda upon the rest of society. Instead of recommending that schools are made safer for all teens instead the recommendation is for “greater understanding” and more acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle for teens as well as adults. The solution to teen suicide is not acceptance of a lifestyle that will cause even more anguish it is the return of the Judeo-Christian worldview that all people are made in the image of God, accountable to God and have a purpose within that relationship.

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I don’t know if there is an actual epidemic in just gay teen suicides, but I do think there is an epidemic in teens being harrassed and bullied and the latest trend is to label someone “gay”, whether they are actually homosexual or not. Its the quickest way to cut someone down in a nanosecond.
This is so true. There is no doubt that gay teens are committing suicide. Like folks have said, one is way too many. But I think you hit a very good point. Whether a victim of bullying is gay or not, the most used slurs seem to be gay slurs. Take a look at the comments of pretty much any YouTube video and see what people who don’t like the video say. It’s incredible. The video is “gay”, the person in the video is a “faot". I would say "faot” has to be the most used slur on there, regardless of the video content. Like you said, it’s the quickest way to cut someone down, gay or not. It’s socially acceptable and it cuts like a knife whether the victim is really gay or not.
I find it very interesting that conservative individuals and groups that try to portray ssa individuals (of which I am one) as victims, inwardly-torn, maladjusted, and overall unhappy tout the suicide rate of gay people (especially gay young people) as proof that homosexuality is some pathalogical malady, yet this article is trying to diminish the plight of young gay individuals. What gives? It’s either one or the other.
Very good point.

I think that examining how the media is spinning the issue won’t get us far. The media spins absolutely EVERYTHING. Teens are killing themselves both gay and straight. It’s awful. The kids who don’t bully, the ones who have a concept of respect for others are truly on the front lines. Parents can’t always be there and teachers can’t be everywhere at all times. Bullies are far outnumbered in schools and I think we’ve got to encourage the good kids, if you will, to stand up together. For those of you dealing with youth groups, it’s a great subject for discussion. The kids who have been taught respect for others are really the ones who can help put an end to this.

Peace.
 
I think that examining how the media is spinning the issue won’t get us far. The media spins absolutely EVERYTHING. Teens are killing themselves both gay and straight. It’s awful. The kids who don’t bully, the ones who have a concept of respect for others are truly on the front lines. Parents can’t always be there and teachers can’t be everywhere at all times. Bullies are far outnumbered in schools and I think we’ve got to encourage the good kids, if you will, to stand up together. For those of you dealing with youth groups, it’s a great subject for discussion. The kids who have been taught respect for others are really the ones who can help put an end to this.

Peace.
Agreed. In counseling, our anti-bullying curriculum emphasized the power of the bystanders and those who were neither bullies nor victims.
 
The issue is that while the media wants to hog-tie teen suicide and teen bullying together, there is no quantitative support for such a position. I believe it goes without saying that bullying is bad and even one suicide, of any age, is bad. That’s not the point. The point is how our emotions are being twisted by the media spin.

NIMH is very clear about the risk factors of suicide and bullying/harassment etc is not on the list.

The issue is the spin.
According to this site, there is a correlation between bullying and teen suicides:
search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7kmD669Ocl8A5hVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTFhczRzdXRoBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1JDRjAyMl8yMDExMTExMg–/SIG=12n5kin6v/EXP=1320180739/**http%3a//www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/bullying-and-suicide.html

I think the risks you stated are for adults at risk. Teen suicide risks do seem to have a relationship with social/peer isolation, which can be a direct result of bullying and harrassment. There may be a “spin” right now on gay teen suicides, but gays are not the only ones being bullied and harrassed. Its a problem for ALL teens and one we need to address ASAP as a society.
 
According to this site, there is a correlation between bullying and teen suicides:
search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oG7kmD669Ocl8A5hVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTFhczRzdXRoBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1JDRjAyMl8yMDExMTExMg–/SIG=12n5kin6v/EXP=1320180739/**http%3a//www.bullyingstatistics.org/content/bullying-and-suicide.html

I think the risks you stated are for adults at risk. Teen suicide risks do seem to have a relationship with social/peer isolation, which can be a direct result of bullying and harrassment. There may be a “spin” right now on gay teen suicides, but gays are not the only ones being bullied and harrassed. Its a problem for ALL teens and one we need to address ASAP as a society.
for the lurkers amongst us, that linked article cites sources that are primarily news stories, which does not eliminate the bias. However, it did cite to the CDC youth suicide stats and to a Yale University study (actually a meta-review). Here’s the Yale link news.yale.edu/2008/07/16/bullying-suicide-link-explored-new-study-researchers-yale

From that article:
Researchers at Yale School of Medicine have found signs of an apparent connection between bullying, being bullied and suicide in children, according to a new review of studies from 13 countries published in the International Journal of Adolescent Medicine and Health.
Not just the victims were in danger: “The perpetrators who are the bullies also have an increased risk for suicidal behaviors,” Kim said.
However, the way the studies were designed made it impossible for researchers to determine conclusively whether bullying leads to suicide, Kim said. In addition, the authors report that most of the studies failed to take into account the influence of factors like gender, psychiatric problems and a history of suicide attempts.
 
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