Is there a movement for Catholic and Orthodox to join back together?

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I remember reading a book about a woman who was Roman Catholic married to an Orthodox or Coptic Christian (or vice versa) I think in Damascus, and Christ’s mother supposedly appeared to her and an icon in their home started exuding oil. Anyway, there is so much unrest in that region now, I can’t remember the entire story, but I thought people from both religions were joining together in prayer in hopes of a reconciliation? Anyone know anything about this and I’m wondering if it is still happening. I’d say due to the unrest in that area and ISIS trying to kill all Christians, perhaps it would have gained some traction
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I pray for a reunion of Christians on pretty much a daily basis. Can’t be the only one.
 
one big issue is that Eastern Orthodox and latin Rite Catholics disagree on who or where the Holy Spirit proceeds. This caused the initial separation.

Latin Rite profess the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Eastern Orthodox, from the Father only

I think you are referring to the woman in Syria?
 
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to answer the banner of this post, ecumenical dialogue has been going on for decades. It was a particular hope of both John Paul 2 and Benedict 16.
 
One of the difficulties is that now, unlike 1054, there are not one but many church bodies on the Orthodox side; for them all to come together with one another as well as with the Vatican, would require no less than miracle.

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These ecumenical movements are heretical. While I can respect Roman Catholics as fellow Christians, Latin theology is far too different from Orthodox theology to just be considered another expression of the faith for Orthodox Christians. In the Orthodox Christian view, Roman Catholicism is a heterodox Church that schismed from the one true apostolic Orthodox Catholic Church. I do not mean this in an offensive way, and I know you see us as schismatics too. But until the Roman Catholic Church recants of what we consider heresy, reunion will not be possible.
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
Latin Rite profess the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son.
Eastern Orthodox, from the Father only
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Sort of.

Most Eastern theologian would grant that the Spirit proceeds temporally from the Son–but the greek verb specifically used means procession in origin.

Similarly, most Western theologians (well , those not engaged in polemics :roll_eyes:) would agree that the Spirit originates in the Father. They’re in violent agreement separated by linguistic differences.

Note that most Eastern Catholics use the actual creed, rather than the western version . . .

I’ve long maintained that +Benedict and +Bartholomew could have come to a reconciliation that the various Catholic and could agree to–except that the Russian Orthodox would never agree, not even if Rome caved on every single issue.

We draw gradually closer.

hawk
 
At least here in America, I don’t think the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics are that close at all. In the view of the Greeks, they don’t see themselves as any closer to Roman Catholics than they are to Protestants, and theirs is more of a 3rd way.

In some troubled foreign lands, they might look at things differently.
 
A variant on “there are no atheists in foxholes” . . .

It is reported that in the soviet gulag, where divine liturgy meant stealing or hiding a grape to make a couple of drops of wine, and hiding a piece of bread, and then being away from guards for a few minutes with the priest using his hand for the Holy Table. . . noone cared whether the priest was Orthodox or Catholic . . .

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dochawk said:
It is reported that in the soviet gulag, where divine liturgy meant stealing or hiding a grape to make a couple of drops of wine, and hiding a piece of bread, and then being away from guards for a few minutes with the priest using his hand for the Holy Table. . . noone cared whether the priest was Orthodox or Catholic . . .
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Yes, it seems when life is very, very tough, people no longer care about these theological differences, they all just depend totally and wholly on the Lord and probably have an better understanding of the truth. Those realities make all this back and forth bickering seem insignificant.
 
Augustinian said:
At least here in America, I don’t think the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics are that close at all.
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I agree. I have seen Ecumenical services with Catholics and Lutherans and Episcopalians, but never with Orthodox. But that might just be where I have lived.
 
In the “old country”, Eastern Europe and the Middle East, you see a lot of intercommunion. For example the Antiochians and the Melkite Greek Catholics.

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I remember hearing of some commission for the purpose of ecumenical talks between the Catholic and orthodox churches. Not my type of ecumenism though.
 
dochawk said:
Note that most Eastern Catholics use the actual creed, rather than the western version . . .
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Correction dochawk; We in the Latin rite have never left our original Apostles Creed which predates the original and adopted Nicene Creed. In fact, the Latin rite still uses the original Apostles Creed for all Catholic Baptisms since antiquity. This Latin baptismal Apostles Creed practice never ceased to today, ever since the inception of the original and Church council changed the Nicene Creed that defeated heretics and heresies infecting the Eastern “Orthodox” Church’s.

When the Western Church used the modified Nicene Creed used by the Orthodox Church’s today. To include the filioque in order to defeat an Eastern heresy trying to infect the West. The same reason the Church council changed the original Nicene Creed to defeat an Eastern heresy.

Draw closer to our Apostles Creed which predates the Nicene Creed and find yourself in complete Catholic Apostolic Orthodoxy.
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The total Catholic faith is based on divine revelation. When did theology become a standard that qualify’s our One Holy Catholic Apostolic Faith in Jesus Christ Crucified?

Since times past our Father’s from the Western and Eastern (rites of the Catholic Faith) Church’s made efforts to defeat heretics and heresies vie-ing to infect our One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Faith. This should not be a reason today to be used for the present situation. These have fought the good fight, in their life time. What can we do in our time to fight the good fight in order to keep divine revelation revealed to us by God? If not unity? what else is there to show the world that God who lives. Theology is a science not a divine revelation.
 
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Those are not “corrections” . . . as a group, they aren’t even true . . .
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
We in the Latin rite have never left our original Apostles Creed which predates the original and adopted Nicene Creed. In fact, the Latin rite still uses the original Apostles Creed for all Catholic Baptisms since antiquity.
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Where are you coming up with this stuff? The Nicene creed is early fourth century, and even amended at the Council of Constantinople years before the first reference to the Apostle’s creed.

And that aside, even if the Apostle’s creed were older, it’s not the creed usually used at RCC Mass.
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To include the filioque in order to defeat an Eastern heresy trying to infect the West. The same reason the Church council changed the original Nicene Creed to defeat an Eastern heresy.
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???

Again, where is this coming from?

The Filioque was added over Western heresy (in Spain and France) , not Eastern (and was fought and denounced by popes for over a century before being adopted.

You are dangerously close, if not over, the line in the tone you you take towards our Orthodox brethren. And by “line”, I mean the one put forth by Rome . . .
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Draw closer to our Apostles Creed which predates the Nicene Creed and find yourself in complete Catholic Apostolic Orthodoxy.
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That it doesn’t predate the Nicene is irrelevant. Your rejection of the orthodoxy of the Nicene creed is rather disturbing, and directly contradicts Papal teaching.

hawk
 
I don’t reject the Nicene Creed. I profess it. Let us be clear.
Do some more research. The Apostles Creed has never left the Latin Rite.

My tone, does not object to the Nicene Creed. I am merely stating that the original Nicene Creed was modified by the Church council. And the modified version is what the Orthodox uses today.

The Apostles Creed has not ceased to be used in our baptism’s as far back as you can go.
 
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