Is there a movement for Catholic and Orthodox to join back together?

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I have no argument with what you posted and linked too. But there is a bigger picture missing in all of these you have provided World wide especially in the West, religious polls reveal more Muslims are converting to the Catholic faith or other Christian sect, than Christians converting to Islam.

In Europe such as France where you have Muslims out populating Christians and in other regions in Europe is not surprising Mosque’s are converting empty Churches.
 
All hail mighty god-emperor Putin.

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Spyridon said:
All hail mighty god-emperor Putin.
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OriginalGabrielof12 said:
For example; President Putin grants lands and build’s Church’s for the Orthodox Church, as a political pawn to gain more power and more lands for Putin
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Have you heard of the Roman Emperor Constantine the Great who is honored by Catholics as making Christianity the religion of the State. He forbade the repair of pagan temples and suppressed their worship. His second son Constantius closed all pagan temples and forbade their worship under pain of death. If you read the book Die Zeit Konstantins des Grossen by jacob Burckhardt, you will read that Constantine was driven by a consuming lust for power and not by religion. and still, Catholics venerate St. Constantine as a Saint.

 
LOL.

Putin the new Constantine.

Oh man… I just don’t even know how to deal or interact with Putinists. You guys are like Trumpians… I just don’t know.
 
Remember that part in the Gospel when Jesus said “for I tell you, assassinate your enemies, humiliate your political opponents, and embrace temporal power, and blessed are you when you shall reign over the kingdoms of Earth.”
 
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
In every Cathedral and Parish Church you enter has a collection box specifically for the Poor.
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There are thousands of homeless people in southern California living in misery in tents. They are dying of starvation and have basically nothing. the shelters are overcrowded and do not have the facilities to take in more homeless than are already there. So these homeless people are living in tents begging every day for a piece of bread so that they will not starve. And yet the Roman Church of Los Angeles spent over 200 million dollars for a cathedral, with inside architecture that some say looks like a Newport Beach Nordstrom without the perfume counter and clothes racks. And the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove was bought for more than 50 million dollars. Will the aesthetics of an expensive cathedral save you or grant you salvation? Would you be a fool to lend one’s salvation based on the aesthetics of an expensive cathedral such as we see in Los Angeles or in Garden Grove?
 
Spyridon said:
I just don’t even know how to deal or interact with Putinists.
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I just don’t know how to react when someone says that Putin is a god-emperor?
Please read the book Die Zeit Konstantins des Grossen by Jacob Burckhardt and you will see that it was Constantine the Great who was the god-emperor, driven by an unquenching thirst for power, and still, the Catholic Church honors him as a Saint.
 
AlNg said:
Constantine the Great who was the god-emperor, driven by an unquenching thirst for power, and still, the Catholic Church honors him as a Saint.
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Your true colors are coming out. The Roman Catholic Church does not recognize Constantine the Great as a Canonized Saint. It is the Eastern Orthodox Church’s who recognize Constantine as a Saint. You are gravely mistaken.
The Catholic faith has only ONE KING and LORD of LORDS in Jesus Christ. To think otherwise, reveals a devil.
 
Jesus said, “The poor you will always have with you; but you will not always have me”.

Your vent on expensive esthetics and the poor appears to be repetitive, is their an opinion or recommendation for a movement of the Catholic and Orthodox to join back together? Or is it your intention to continue off topic?
 
AlNg said:
In the Moscow region alone, there have been more than 200 Orthodox churches built in recent years, while in the west many Roman Catholic churches have been shut down or turned over to Muslims and converted into mosques.
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…and your point is what?
 
AlNg said:
The esthetic’s of an expensive cathedral will not save you nor grant you salvation.
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This is an approach I would quickly abandon if I were you. The internet is full of gaudy gold incense burners and candle holders and on and on. Don’t make me post them!😉😯😎
 
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
The Roman Catholic Church does not recognize Constantine the Great as a Canonized Saint… You are gravely mistaken.
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Here are some references to St. Constantine the Great:


He is listed in the Saint Feast Days in May with Feast Day May 21


St. Constantine the Great is also listed as a saint in the Catholic calendar 2018 of the Melkite Catholic Church:
Go to May 21 and you will see St. Constantine the Great and St. Helena listed.

OriginalGabrielof12 said:
You are gravely mistaken.
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I don’t see how?
 
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It is not hard to find. Read this article, it will shed some light on your misunderstandings of Canonized Saints in the Roman Catholic Church. Constantine is not recognized as a canonized saint in the Latin Rite. We recognize Constantine was a Emperor who finally lifted the Roman persecution laws against Catholicism, for this the Bishop’s of Rome are grateful.
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OriginalGabrielof12 said:
Constantine is not recognized as a canonized saint in the Latin Rite.
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St. Constantine the Great is listed on the calendar of Saints in the Melkite Catholic Church, and on other Catholic calendars as well. His feast day is May 21. A saint is someone in heaven. Therefore St. Constantine the Great is either in heaven or not. The Catholic Church is ONE Church. The marks of the true Church are One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. If a Church is not ONE, it cannot be the true Church. That means that St. Constantine the Great cannot be a saint in the Melkite Catholic Church and cease to be a saint in the Roman Catholic Church. St. Constantine the Great is either in heaven or not. And if one part of the Catholic Church declares an individual in heaven, it would make no sense for a Church to call itself ONE and have a conflicting and contradictory declaration on whether or not Constantine the Great is in heaven.
The fact that St. Constantine the Great was not canonized in the Latin church is basically irrelevant to the question of whether or not he is a saint. St. Paul, for example, was never formally canonized as a saint since the canonization process did not begin until 993 when Pope John XV canonized a saint. It is true is it not, that St. Paul is not recognized as a canonized saint in the Latin rite, but he is still recognized as a Saint in the Catholic Church. A person can be a saint, and be recognized as a saint, even though he did not undergo a formal canonization process.
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
You are gravely mistaken.
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It seems to me that anyone who says that the only saints recognized by the Catholic Church are those saints who are canonized is the one who is gravely mistaken. It seems to me that it would be a grave mistake to say that St. Paul is not a saint, because he has not been formally canonized.
 
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Lol… The Catholic Church is over 2000 years old.She encompasses many nations, peoples, tongues and tribes in every age since the resurrection of Jesus Christ. What you reference to what appears to be “conflicting and contradictory” belies your misunderstandings of the present schism between the Bishop of Rome and the Orthodox Church’s. In a simple word; “it’s complicated”.

For the record. Constantine is not a canonized Saint in the Latin Rite of the Catholic faith. I gave you a reference to confirm this, and you still won’t accept it?

The Church remains ONE in the body of Christ. Both East and West Catholic Church’s possess the four marks of the Catholic Faith. Including valid sacraments and holy orders in Christ our King who is our living High Priest and Sacrifice to God our Father.

Disciplines, cultures, languages make us a diverse body of believers that is subject to change in these. But the Rock and our Catholic faith in God’s divine revelation does not change and has not changed since Christ resurrected and ascended into heaven.
 
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
For the record. Constantine is not a canonized Saint in the Latin Rite of the Catholic faith.
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So what? St. Paul is not a canonized saint in the Catholic Church since the formal canonization process did not begin until 993. You are gravely mistaken if you think that St. Paul is not a saint. St. Paul is a saint and whether or not he was canonized is irrelevant to the fact that he is in heaven. St. Constantine was recognized as a saint before the formal canonization process. He is in heaven or not. The Melkite Catholic Church says he is a saint in heaven. I don;t know of any Catholic Church which denies the declaration of the Melkite Catholic Church.
 
All the living witnesses to Jesus Christ in the first century are declared Saints by all Christians that require no formalities or scrutiny by the Church to canonize. Especially when God ordained Paul to write his epistles.

To be canonized a Saint in the Latin Rite, the Saint has to survive the scrutiny of the Church.I don’t believe Constantine ever made it to the introduction into canonization of Sainthood in the Latin Rite.

Again, the canonization of Saints can be a complicated one. Your objection is duly noted. But it does not change the fact that Constantine is not a canonized Saint in the Latin Rite.

Peace be with you
 
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OriginalGabrielof12 said:
I don’t believe Constantine ever made it to the introduction into canonization of Sainthood in the Latin Rite.
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There are Catholic saints who have not undergone the formal canonization process set up in 993, such as St. Martin of Tours, for example.
OriginalGabrielof12 said:
You are gravely mistaken.
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My contention is that it is perfectly fine for any Catholic of any rite to venerate Constantine the Great as a Saint.
Do you claim that it is gravely wrong for a Roman Catholic of the Latin rite to venerate Constantine the Great as a Saint? Yes or no.
 
Spyridon said:
All hail mighty god-emperor Putin.

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It’s easy to critique, but how many Catholics long for the day where their government and their church worked closely together and maybe co-mingled a little bit? Of the “trad” element of the Catholic Church, the answer must approach “all”.

I enjoyed the double eagle on the breastplate. Very Byzantine.
 
You’ve pretty conclusively shown that Constantine is venerated as a saint in part of the Catholic Church.
That being said, both east and west honor men who were often less than honorable.

I think the material part of that discussion is over.
 
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