Is there a philosophical bases for finacial success?

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Okay lets put it this way. Ignoring all the ethical issues. To get a million bucks is simple.

Be born into a rich family, Win a lottery, become a professional athelete in a high paying sport or rob the Federal Reserve.

OR if you are like most folks, get a decent job or open a business. Then spend far less than you earn and invest wisely for several decades. Buying and selling real estate also works.

I don;t have a million bucks but I consider myself financially successful. I’m retired, I have a very decent income, I have investments and I don’t have to worry able debts or finances. Most of all, I’m content with my life situation.
 
Okay lets put it this way. Ignoring all the ethical issues. To get a million bucks is simple.

Be born into a rich family, Win a lottery, become a professional athelete in a high paying sport or rob the Federal Reserve.

OR if you are like most folks, get a decent job or open a business. Then spend far less than you earn and invest wisely for several decades. Buying and selling real estate also works.

I don;t have a million bucks but I consider myself financially successful. I’m retired, I have a very decent income, I have investments and I don’t have to worry able debts or finances. Most of all, I’m content with my life situation.
This thread is not a personal attack on those who have a different idea about success than i do. I just want to make that clear. If your content with being poor, that’s fine.

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There’s a blog (and associated book) out there called “Get Rich Slowly” which takes as its premise that the key to being financially comfortable is scrimping and saving over a long period of time rather than, say, inventing a new way of playing the stock market. I think there’s something to that idea.

Many of the people I work with dream of winning the lottery but probably wouldn’t consider making small changes to their style of life and patiently waiting to “get rich.” (I’m a bit like that myself, actually.) There’s a component of instant gratification to people’s fantasies of becoming wealthy.
 
There’s a blog (and associated book) out there called “Get Rich Slowly” which takes as its premise that the key to being financially comfortable is scrimping and saving over a long period of time rather than, say, inventing a new way of playing the stock market. I think there’s something to that idea.

Many of the people I work with dream of winning the lottery but probably wouldn’t consider making small changes to their style of life and patiently waiting to “get rich.” (I’m a bit like that myself, actually.) There’s a component of instant gratification to people’s fantasies of becoming wealthy.
Thanks.

I think people hate the idea of saving up over long periods of time because they want to enjoy the life of a millionaire while they are still relatively young and healthy (before the age of 50). Lets face it, most millionaire CEO’s look like 50 year old’s turning 70 with big guts.
 
There’s a blog (and associated book) out there called “Get Rich Slowly” which takes as its premise that the key to being financially comfortable is scrimping and saving over a long period of time rather than, say, inventing a new way of playing the stock market. I think there’s something to that idea.
For what reasons? Practical… psychological… ethical… ?
Many of the people I work with dream of winning the lottery but probably wouldn’t consider making small changes to their style of life and patiently waiting to “get rich.” (I’m a bit like that myself, actually.) There’s a component of instant gratification to people’s fantasies of becoming wealthy.
Part of the problem with the lottery is that it is a negative sum game… less money comes out than goes in. Unlike gambling, perhaps, there is no skill to rely on either. So playing the lottery is a bit irrational.

I think that everyone has expenses, and it’s easy to see how receiving a lump sum would solve a lot of problems immediately, while people are less able to see how saving $50 a month might change their lives for the better in the long run.
 
I’m just talking in general. Why do people become millionaires. Is it just arbitrary luck, or is there something about their behaviour and thought processes that helped them to actualised that potentiality?
I recall reading, long ago, a book entitled “The Millionaire Next Door”. It wasn’t so much a “how to” book as a study of characteristics common to most millionaires. As I best recall, they were:
  1. Contrary to popular belief, most millionaires didn’t inherit anything.
  2. Most millionaires had their own businesses, and most of their wealth was in their business, not in the bank.
  3. Virtually every millionaire lived substantially below his/her means. This is probably the most common and perhaps most important factor among them. If he/she could afford a $500,000 house, he/she would buy a $200,000 house or less. They did not live in ritzy neighborhoods. They drove older cars. They rarely ate out or went on vacation, and when they did, it was always modest in scope. They did not spend much on clothing.
  4. Most were religious and observant.
  5. Almost none ever divorced. (Divorce is the #1 financial wrecker) Almost all had the same spouse through life.
  6. Most were charitably generous.
  7. Most were quite happy with their lives, but the happiness was in making their businesses work, and in their families, not in their wealth.
  8. Most never think about wealth as such.
  9. Of those who were not in their own business, most were not high earners.
  10. Most of their spouses were also engaged in their business in some way as well, even if only in an advisory or supportive role. But their spouses knew what they were doing and how it all worked, and both were “on the same page” when it came to life tasks and lifestyle.
  11. Most were reasonably well educated, but not lavishly so. Some were self-educated.
Interestingly, the authors found no correllation between high earnings and wealth. People with big earnings can waste it just as readily as someone with lower earnings, and far and away most do.

I can’t remember the percentage of millionaires in the country, and it has undoubtedly changed now because of inflation. But it wasn’t very high…maybe 5-10%. The interesting thing, though, was how unlikely we are to guess who is a millionaire and who isn’t. That’s why the book was entitled the way it was. We all know millionaires, we just don’t know that they’re millionaires. We think they are just ordinary folks of modest means. Most of the people we think might be millionaires because of the way they live…aren’t.

In my occupation, I run across “secret millionaires” frequently, and I believe that with few exceptions the book’s descriptions are true.

Correction: Just looked it up. About 3% of the population of the U.S. are millionaires.
 
I recall reading, long ago, a book entitled “The Millionaire Next Door”. It wasn’t so much a “how to” book as a study of characteristics common to most millionaires. As I best recall, they were:
  1. Contrary to popular belief, most millionaires didn’t inherit anything.
  2. Most millionaires had their own businesses, and most of their wealth was in their business, not in the bank.
  3. Virtually every millionaire lived substantially below his/her means. This is probably the most common and perhaps most important factor among them. If he/she could afford a $500,000 house, he/she would buy a $200,000 house or less. They did not live in ritzy neighborhoods. They drove older cars. They rarely ate out or went on vacation, and when they did, it was always modest in scope. They did not spend much on clothing.
  4. Most were religious and observant.
  5. Almost none ever divorced. (Divorce is the #1 financial wrecker) Almost all had the same spouse through life.
  6. Most were charitably generous.
  7. Most were quite happy with their lives, but the happiness was in making their businesses work, and in their families, not in their wealth.
  8. Most never think about wealth as such.
  9. Of those who were not in their own business, most were not high earners.
  10. Most of their spouses were also engaged in their business in some way as well, even if only in an advisory or supportive role. But their spouses knew what they were doing and how it all worked, and both were “on the same page” when it came to life tasks and lifestyle.
  11. Most were reasonably well educated, but not lavishly so. Some were self-educated.
Interestingly, the authors found no correllation between high earnings and wealth. People with big earnings can waste it just as readily as someone with lower earnings, and far and away most do.

I can’t remember the percentage of millionaires in the country, and it has undoubtedly changed now because of inflation. But it wasn’t very high…maybe 5-10%. The interesting thing, though, was how unlikely we are to guess who is a millionaire and who isn’t. That’s why the book was entitled the way it was. We all know millionaires, we just don’t know that they’re millionaires. We think they are just ordinary folks of modest means. Most of the people we think might be millionaires because of the way they live…aren’t.

In my occupation, I run across “secret millionaires” frequently, and I believe that with few exceptions the book’s descriptions are true.

Correction: Just looked it up. About 3% of the population of the U.S. are millionaires.
Thankyou, this is very interesting stuff. 👍
 
Thankyou, this is very interesting stuff. 👍
Oh yes, I forgot. Most had more than the average number of children.

While we can’t be sure of it, I think the bottom line is probably that personal virtue is the number one factor in making millionaires.
 
Is there a philosophical bases for financial success?

Is it just luck, or is there a well defined philosophy that will make success more likely or inevitable?

What are the rules?
In Hinduism, we would say that the circumstances of your current life are the result of your Karma - the sumtotal of all your actions in this life as well as your actions in all your past lives. So if you have good karma earned from your actions in your past lives as well as work hard in this life, you will be financially successful (in some cases you don’t even need to work very hard in this life).

However, if you are poor in this life, it does not mean that your karma is necessarily bad. Your soul may have deliberately ‘chosen’ a hard life of deprivation because it was deemed to be the best path of learning and spiritual development (the choices the soul can make are limited by your own karma, but you can always choose a life which uses up less of your ‘good’ karma).

The choices you make in this life will affect the result. You can make a bad choice (like investing all your money in the Lotto), but ultimately when you add it all up, there will be perfect justice - not just a matter of luck.
 
For what reasons? Practical… psychological… ethical… ?
Why? Because slow and steady wins the race.
Part of the problem with the lottery is that it is a negative sum game… less money comes out than goes in. Unlike gambling, perhaps, there is no skill to rely on either. So playing the lottery is a bit irrational.
A little bit? Try a lotta bit irrational. But don’t bother trying to tell that to my co-workers, or the society at large.
 
A little bit? Try a lotta bit irrational. But don’t bother trying to tell that to my co-workers, or the society at large.
Re the lottery.

I have said this before on CAF, but I’ll say it again because I like it.

Mark Twain said there are only two times in life when a man shouldn’t gamble.

One is when he can’t afford it.

And the other is when he can.
 
Re the lottery.

I have said this before on CAF, but I’ll say it again because I like it.

Mark Twain said there are only two times in life when a man shouldn’t gamble.

One is when he can’t afford it.

And the other is when he can.
Awesome quote. It seems that Mark Twain has a quote for every occasion.
 
There are different kinds of happiness. I am sure that some forms are more important than the other, but I am not really interested in debating that.

Of course I am talking about material happiness. But what does one mean by that?
Well its simple really. In a world where health, security, and life itself has a price tag, financial success is synonymous to financial freedom, which includes the best health and security. I would say that, within reason, anything over a million would allow anybody to have a sufficiently free life along with the kind of improvement of health and security that the lower classes can only dream of. In this kind of world, it is not unreasonable for people to seek financial success in order to be free from the limitations evidently inherent in the fact of being poor.
Your talking about being free and using wealth to be so. Often this sort of independence is about being apart from others rather than growing together as a community. This usually becomes disordered to the point of sinfulness. When you choose a disorderly path, a sinful way in life you are not growing as God intended and will have less joy.

Joy is greater than happiness. Joy is an eternal virtue where happiness is dependent on circumstances and even luck. One can have joy in suffering, but no one is happy in their suffering. Faith, Hope, and Love are the greatest of 7 virtues. Do not chase money to obtain freedom. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. Chase Him and find growth in life through obtaining the eternal treasures known as the virtues. And helping others; these are what Jesus said was how to store true treasures in heaven.
 
Your talking about being free and using wealth to be so. Often this sort of independence is about being apart from others rather than growing together as a community. This usually becomes disordered to the point of sinfulness. When you choose a disorderly path, a sinful way in life you are not growing as God intended and will have less joy.
The idea that because in some cases people in business choose to be independent from the community and that therefore there is something wrong with seeking out legitimate means and philosophies in the pursuit of financial success does not make any sense to me. You seem to be making allot of bad assumptions about this thread and its intentions.
Would you prefer to have nothing than have a successful business? I don’t see the good in discouraging people from seeking financial success, because at the end of the day they are the reason that people have jobs.
Joy is greater than happiness. Joy is an eternal virtue where happiness is dependent on circumstances and even luck. One can have joy in suffering, but no one is happy in their suffering. Faith, Hope, and Love are the greatest of 7 virtues. Do not chase money to obtain freedom. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. Chase Him and find growth in life through obtaining the eternal treasures known as the virtues. And helping others; these are what Jesus said was how to store true treasures in heaven.
I don’t understand why you have assumed that just because i choose to seekout material freedom, that therefore I am abandoning spiritual freedom. The two needn’t be in conflict.
 
“It’s all luck.” – Donald Trump

He’s right.
No matter how smart you are and how hard you work,
things can happen in this world that can destroy everything you build.

Have a super sparkly day! 😃
 
“It’s all luck.” – Donald Trump

He’s right.
No matter how smart you are and how hard you work,
things can happen in this world that can destroy everything you build.

Have a super sparkly day! 😃
You seem very happy about that. Reminds me of someone else…
 
You seem very happy about that.
You’re always wrong, Linux. I hate it.
In 1976, millions of profoundly stupid people voted for the king of all idiots Jimmy Carter who helped us slide into a recession with 12% inflation and 21% interest rates, ( it was said that if interest rates reached 25% the American economy would collapse ),
and my new small business failed and I ended up with piles of debt with absolutely no assets.
I have never recovered.

And that’s how the world works.
Reminds me of someone else…
The devil, I suppose? I thought you didn’t believe in the supernatural. It’s all “magic”.
 
You’re always wrong, Linux. I hate it.
In 1976, millions of profoundly stupid people voted for the king of all idiots Jimmy Carter who helped us slide into a recession with 12% inflation and 21% interest rates, ( it was said that if interest rates reached 25% the American economy would collapse ),
and my new small business failed and I ended up with piles of debt with absolutely no assets.
I have never recovered.

And that’s how the world works.
Well maybe a philosophy of sorts may have helped you to prevent that, and that is precisely what i am exploring in my thread.

Anyway what was your company.?
The devil, I suppose? I thought you didn’t believe in the supernatural. It’s all “magic”.
I do believe in the supernatural, but i don’t believe in irrational portrayals of the supernatural. The devil is very real and he laps up every negative word you say and enforces its power over you. You need to stop this high horse attitude of yours, it will not serve you.
 
If there is a philosophical basis for financial success, there are many examples of folks who do not fit any mold.
My vote is you start up a cult and get a following. Your personal residence will be tax free and you can get many other benefits.
Religion is and always will be a money maker for those that use it to their financial advantage at the cost of many unsuspecting taxpayers. Even though this is just now starting to change, in this economy I still think it has more growth potential than in any other area.
 
If there is a philosophical basis for financial success, there are many examples of folks who do not fit any mold.
My vote is you start up a cult and get a following. Your personal residence will be tax free and you can get many other benefits.
Religion is and always will be a money maker for those that use it to their financial advantage at the cost of many unsuspecting taxpayers. Even though this is just now starting to change, in this economy I still think it has more growth potential than in any other area.
I can see where you are coming from. Its true religion can be a big money maker, but this is not really what i had in mind when a speak of a philosophy of financial success. I’m more coming from the psychological side of the qeustion. What is the life style, state of mind, living habits, motivational principles, of people who do become successful, and can anybody apply that as a life philosophy on their road to success.

For example, it would take a very specific kind of personality and charisma for a person to become a successful cult leader. If anything they are very good sales guys.
 
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