Wow, I do not know quite what to do with this statement… On one hand my first reaction is to be stunned and kind of offended because what I read into this statement is that protestants are idiots led astray and being used as pawns in Satan’s plan to steal souls from God. We long to be near God and the thought that we are in ‘cahoots’ whether intentional or not with Satan is something I never want attached to me. How can Satan be using a protestant church to lead people astray when all it does is worship God and long to know Him on a deeper level? The only conspiriters are those who attack God’s children by attacking their heart and soul worship of God and telling them that while they seek God and worship only Him in their minds they are actually pawns of Satan and don’t know God at all.
No, I think our friend Andrew is mis-stating his sentiments (at least I hope he is). IMHO, I think that Luther began as a God-fearing man who wanted to change the Church, as some changes were necessary - Changes in its practices, not in its teachings. But he later became a tool of Satan to break up God’s Church.
Merry Christmas,Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew_11
I would say that there is definatly a protestant conspiracy, in fact I believe protestantism is a conspiracy. A conspiracy of Satan trying to lead people astray.
Wow, I do not know quite what to do with this statement… On one hand my first reaction is to be stunned and kind of offended because what I read into this statement is that protestants are idiots led astray and being used as pawns in Satan’s plan to steal souls from God. We long to be near God and the thought that we are in ‘cahoots’ whether intentional or not with Satan is something I never want attached to me. How can Satan be using a protestant church to lead people astray when all it does is worship God and long to know Him on a deeper level? The only conspiriters are those who attack God’s children by attacking their heart and soul worship of God and telling them that while they seek God and worship only Him in their minds they are actually pawns of Satan and don’t know God at all.
Do ALL catholics think protestants are idiots or so naive?
On the other hand I remember those who spat on Jesus and His followers. Telling them that they were of Satan and/or evil. Who told them that what they believed about their relationship with God was wrong and disloyal to the very Father they worshipped. Who told them that Christ was evil and long to lead God’s children astray rather than bring them closer. I remember these people who knew in their hearts that they were right and I humbly pray that I stick to the path that God has set me on and that I would follow Him as closely and without fear that the apostles and disciples did so long ago. Thank you for reminding me of the struggles and that even though I do not face half of the pain and danger that those who live in other countries do or that the followers of Jesus faced all those years ago I know that I am on the path that God has designated for me and I need to keep my eyes on Him.
Not to be picky, but it was Nicodemus who was talking to Jesus.
This is pretty comical, since the words are in the Scriptures and they’re not “your words” (surprise, if it wasn’t for Catholic monks and theologians translating and keeping the scriptures in tact you wouldn’t even have a whole Bible today). And being “born again” is not a one time event similar to an altar call in today’s protestant churches (where is an altar call and reciting the sinners’ prayer in the scriptures?). Being born again means literally being born from above. “Born again” is a pretty bad translation and refers to our baptism into the Christian faith.
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I have yet to hear one ex-protestant claim that they wasted their time in their previous religion(s). All of the “conversion stories” that I’ve heard are beautiful and some have even thanked their previous background for getting them interested in scripture. I’m not sure who you’ve been watching, but our faith isn’t about jumping over the line and looking back and slandering other churches. We have a much deeper rooted system of worship that stems nearly 2000 years and that’s how and what matters. You speak of a propaganda machine and have yet to look at the whole picture. Propagada is the key tool for most modern so called protestants to bring people away from the Body of Christ. We don’t make “soldiers” and enlist people out of churches to build our forces to conquer other churches.There is a much bigger battle than that. The battle is against an ex-angel who has found a way to strip the Church of millions of souls by creating scandal, confusion and controversy called “reformation” in a very complex and shaky time in history. The timing was perfect for him and it’s effects are ongoing. Jesus said that the “gates of hell shall not prevail”. Well the Church never has, and never will fall, but this doesn’t mean that the devil make great attempts and be somewhat victorious in his taking of souls. What better way for the devil to try and win than to convince people that the Church is the evil one, bring multitudes away and then create over 33,000 divisions? Most all of which claim Luther as their fearless leader who conquered the evil Church, but have only small specs of Lutheran idealogies in their faith basis? Meanwhile, since the establishement of the one and only single, non plural Church, the 33,000 are all correct and the supposed evil Church is wrong? I think not. The history since the (de)formation in the 1500s is rather recent. Because of the development of technolgy, history is somewhat easier to follow. Even though biased and distorted protestants have tried to preserve the history with it’s (name removed by moderator)ut of ideology, Luther’s writings are still available and one can easily see the compounding changes in the protestant belief system starting even during Luther’s lifetime. I believe he even wrote something like, “there are almost as nearly sects as there are heads…” Propaganda at it’s most evil, although probably genuinely unintentional, began with a posting of 95 thesis. Had Luther accepted the rulings of the Church and cooperate within the same system he had brought his thesis up and appealed to, who knows how the world would be shaped now.
I absolutely agree that Lucifer uses some MEMBERS of the Catholic Church for his work. Martin Luther may be one of those members that Lucifer used quite effectivley!
YEs, we do acknowledge that there have even been “bad” Popes! I quoted in a different thread from Francis Cannon Ripley’s book, “This is the Faith,” that “the roads in Hell are paved with the skulls of Bishops.” The difference is, between the Catholic Church and protestant churches is, that Lucifer may use some members of the CC to do his bidding but the church as a whole never has, nor it will, teach falsehoods in line with him.