Is there a race problem in America?

[Zaccheus]

With the recent murders of unarmed black men, like the incident in Minneapolis, is this proof that the police are unfairly targeting the black population in the United States?

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

So if a Communist government doesn’t work, it is because the individuals aren’t doing it right?
If feudalism doesn’t work, it is because the individuals aren’t doing it right?

Probably, or if is it meant to fail then it is an invalid comparison because the police force has wiggle room to change.

Sorry, but systems can run all the way from supporting just behavior and vigilantly working against unjust behavior all the way to making just behavior something that even a saint won’t be able to do for long without being found out and stopped.

I don’t know about that, the “system” is made of many small units around the country so it isn’t going to be homogenous in its behavior.

In other words, institutions do matter, and institutions that aren’t making themselves the solution to these problems cannot help but to be part of the problem, because they discourage those who want to change problems.

That depends since there are oversights within such a large work force and not everyone in the institution has the power to do anything about it.

 

[phil3]

so how should the racial, sex, and gender be balanced in this group? Was obama’s better balanced? I honestly cant find a picture of the same subject.

 

[Nepperhan]

so how should the racial, sex, and gender be balanced in this group? Was obama’s better balanced? I honestly cant find a picture of the same subject.

The question involves association and advancement in the military. There can be improvemtn on how minority officers are treated. Did you read the article?

How was it under Obama? The woman who shot the pirate in the head became the highest ranked woman in the history of the US Navy. It was such an outlier that they did not have the proper insignia for her shoulder boards.

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[Welshrabbit]

Adm. Howard served under Trump too. She retired in December of 2017.

Just to clarify: you’re not stating that she personally shot the pirates, correct?

 

[Nepperhan]

Just to clarify: you’re not stating that she personally shot the pirates, correct?

She was in charge. She greeted Capt. Phillips when he was brought aboard ship.

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[Poet]

Well, what I noticed, as an European, is that black and white separate churches and separate neighboorhoods exists.

We don’t have anything like that. I would be illegal to try to segrate people by their skin’s color on civil topics. And the Catholic Church would never made separate churches. Racial statistics are also illegal in France. We are also really modest in using vocabulary around “race” topic to design peop

That really depends on the church and the area. My church is an almost equal mix of black, white, Asian, and Hispanic.

It would be completely illegal here to separate churches by skin color.

 

[Nepperhan]

It would be completely illegal here to separate churches by skin color.

Actually, I think it would not be illegal at all. Several denominations have racial qualifiers in their dogma.

And, more to the point, some Catholic churches fairly recently had separate seating areas for black and white parishioners.

 

[Welshrabbit]

For sure! She’s an amazing woman and an American hero who made an excellent command decision in ordering (or potentially authorizing) her SEALs to take those pirates out.

 

[ltwin]

With the recent murders of unarmed black men, like the incident in Minneapolis, is this proof that the police are unfairly targeting the black population in the United States?

No. Police kill unarmed white men too. You just never hear about it because it doesn’t fit a particular narrative. This article “Police Kill Too Many People—White and Black” by John McWhorter (who is black) makes this point:

In March, something happened in Kentucky that tragically seems, in light of what happened to Alton Sterling and Philando Castile last week, business as usual. Constable Bobby Smith wanted to serve a warrant to Brandon Stanley, who tried to evade him. Smith tracked Stanley down to a convenience store and shot him dead.

Around the same time in Arizona, Daniel Shaver was playfully waving a pellet gun out of a motel window. A police officer detained him, and despite Shaver complying with all of his demands (there is a video) shot him dead. Also around this time in North Dakota, James Scott, allegedly intoxicated, dropped a gun and fled police officers but refused to put his hands up when detained; they shot him dead.

The men in these cases were white, not black, and yet all three were killed by police officers under circumstances that would almost surely have elicited indignant protest nationwide if they were black.

He goes on to make a point about statistics:

A common response will be that cops kill more black people proportionately than whites. According to a survey by the Washington Post , whites are 62% of the population but were roughly half of those killed by cops since January 2015, while blacks are 13% of the population but were about a quarter of those killed. However, this isn’t the slam dunk dismissal it may seem.

. . . Moreover, many would argue that disproportionate poverty levels among black people render them more likely to encounter police officers in the first place—vastly unfair, but different from the problem being simply cops’ standing racist bias.

 

[sealabeag]

Seems to me that it would be fair to say there is a real problem with police brutality, not institutional racism (although of course there are racist individuals), but if the real issue isn’t addressed there may not be real change.

 

[Poet]

Poet:

It would be completely illegal here to separate churches by skin color.

Actually, I think it would not be illegal at all. Several denominations have racial qualifiers in their dogma.

And, more to the point, some Catholic churches fairly recently had separate seating areas for black and white parishioners.

Which denominations and what are their qualifiers?

Which parishes? Up to what years? I’ve been to Catholic churches all over this country (probably hundreds of different churches) for fifty years and I’ve never seen any such thing.

 

[Poet]

No. Police kill unarmed white men too. You just never hear about it because it doesn’t fit a particular narrative. This article “Police Kill Too Many People—White and Black” by John McWhorter (who is black) makes this point:

THANK YOU. Yes, the media is shaping a narrative they want us to believe. White men are shot and injured by police too. I personally know a white man who was injured by the police – upper class, well-educated, professional white man no less. He was injured by the police because he was committing domestic violence (first thing he shouldn’t have been doing) and then resisted arrest and was uncooperative with police. They had every reason to fear for their own safety–and the safety of the woman and children they had come to protect.

PEOPLE get injured by police and sometimes it’s because the person resists and fights, sometimes it’s because the cops are stressed and fearful, or incompetent, or bad. VERY rarely is it because cops are just out looking for black men to hurt, and NEVER is it because they’re out looking for black men saying their Rosary or feeding the poor, just hoping to shoot them in the back.

 

[ltwin]

Actually, I think it would not be illegal at all. Several denominations have racial qualifiers in their dogma.

Evidence for this? There are historically black churches (such as the African Methodist Episcopal Church) that were organized at times when blacks were not treated as equals within white churches. But you don’t have to be black to attend or be a member. Same for white churches today. You’d be hard pressed to find examples of majority white churches rejecting non-whites as members. Most white denominations have at least some black members and black majority congregations.

But there are no mainstream Christian churches I’m aware of who have “racial qualifiers in their dogma.”

 

[ltwin]

Well, what I noticed, as an European, is that black and white separate churches and separate neighboorhoods exists.

Yes, that is a legacy of racial segregation, but it’s not as black and white as that. Legal segregation is a thing of the past, and there are many integrated churches. Yes, many churches are majority white or majority black, but that doesn’t mean they are exclusively one race. Same with neighborhoods. My neighborhood in South Carolina is all mixed up racially.

We don’t have anything like that. I would be illegal to try to segrate people by their skin’s color on civil topics.

Please. Spare me the “Europe doesn’t have these”:

In Europe, on the other hand, it’s immigrant populations—specifically Muslim ones—that live in insular neighborhoods. In Britain, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis clot together; in the Hague, it’s Turkish and Moroccan communities; and in France, North-African and Caribbean groups.

When immigrants arrive in a new city, they move into what Iceland calls “ethnic enclaves” because they seek familiar faces and culturally similar support networks. The report says that subsequent generations of immigrants actually tend to move away from these enclaves, signaling a higher degree of assimilation. Despite this, these generations still show restricted upward mobility.

 

[Nepperhan]

Which denominations and what are their qualifiers?

You don’t remember that Bob Jones University ( a “Christian” institution) barred interracial dating? Or when Mormons would not let black couples marry in the temple?

Which parishes? Up to what years? I’ve been to Catholic churches all over this country (probably hundreds of different churches) for fifty years and I’ve never seen any such thing.

That happened most notoriously in New Orleans. Schools were segregated, too. And, as we know, Notre Dame did not allow black applicants until the late 40s. One man who was barred by Notre Dame and Princeton eventually got an honorary degree from Princeton – but not Notre Dame! Did you know that Jesuits would not accept black applicants until the sixties?

 

[Nepperhan]

But there are no mainstream Christian churches I’m aware of who have “racial qualifiers in their dogma.”

Wrong, actually.

 

[ltwin]

Wrong, actually

Ok, enlighten me. What are the names of these churches and what racial qualifiers do they have in their doctrines? I’m honestly curious.

 

[ltwin]

You don’t remember that Bob Jones University ( a “Christian” institution) barred interracial dating?

First, that was a university, not a church. But fine I’ll give you that one. More importantly they changed the rule in 2000 and admiitted their scriptural interpretation had been flawed.

Or when Mormons would not let black couples marry in the temple?

But those rules were changed In the 70s. Is any major church denomination currently teaching white supremacy or have “racial qualifiers” in their teachings?

 

[Anicette]

Yes, we have poor urban (vertical) neighborhoods with a lot of immigrants populations and a majority of Muslins. The “segration” is done mostly by money and social housing.

But we cannot legally separe or even design people by their ethnic origin or their colors.

We have not the same history as America. we have racism ideology, racist acts but not a culture of racism or institutional racism at the same level as in America.

And we cannot compare UK and France, we don’t have the same culture with diversity. For us, assimilation is a goal since a long time (not interculturalism or multiculturalism) even if it does not works a lot.